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Move Slow and Make Things

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Re: Move Slow and Make Things

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I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

> I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit

Whoa.

customer: Please, I need a trouser size 34"

AI: Thank you sir, but according to my data, a 33" will better suit you

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

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I’m sad this is an April fools joke because a lot of the sentiment rings true and I love the slogan “move slow and make things.” Artisans make beautiful things and software artisans make beautiful software, but it’s hard to do it and still be a viable business. And artisans moving slowly isn’t arbitrary. They move slow on the things that matter. The things that shine when attention was paid to the details.

One of my favourite articles on the internet is "an app can be a home-cooked meal". It's something you can make for your own enjoyment, with no plans for scaling on monetisation. I have started making this sort of software, and I thoroughly enjoy it. I target the platform I use, I solve the problems I have, and my only metric is pleasure. I wish we all had more of such projects.

If you like this sentiment, read "The Forever Project": https://heredragonsabound.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-forever-p...

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#63

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

> I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit Whoa. customer: Please, I need a trouser size 34" AI: Thank you sir, but according to my data, a 33" will better suit you

And sometimes they would be right; speaking for myself, I've worn baggy clothes for a long time, but at some point I finally managed to lose some weight and got down below 90 kilos, and was able to go down a size pants and shirts (size L), which fit and looked a lot better. Great confidence boost at the time, didn't change anything for my er, relationship prospects though.

It's WFH time now though, I'm wearing 2/3XL shirts (good cut though, they don't look baggy) and pajama pants and have done so for over a year now. I am here for the comfort.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#64

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

> they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit I'm trying to think of a way this makes sense. Do they have access to some big database about you that they can use to predict how you'll screw up your measurements?

Oh good I am not the only one. Direct measurement would produce the best result here. Not a guess that AI has with 83% confidence level. I usually find a tailor and buy something from them and in the process they will give me all the measurements for everything else.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

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> I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit That is nothing short of hilarious. The machine knows best! Who are you, human, to pretend you are able to measure yourself?! > AI for memorizing generic trends It's possible "AI" may be just a pretext to sell mass-made junk and pretend it is adjusted to e…

> It's possible "AI" may be just a pretext to sell mass-made junk and pretend it is adjusted to each individual. It's also an internal distraction. They'd achieve something much closer to what they promise if they just threw some old-school regression analysis at the problem. But that's not cool these days, plus it's hard to relabel as AI even for the marketroids these days, and would involve actual work :). This app…

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Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#67

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

> I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit Whoa. customer: Please, I need a trouser size 34" AI: Thank you sir, but according to my data, a 33" will better suit you

"Vanity sizing" is a real issue in clothing. Sizes were always abstractions but now measurements are an abstraction as well.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

#68
post #49

I know this is supposed to be a joke, but I feel like it's too close to reality to be funny. I recently ordered a custom tailored set of shirt, trousers, and belt. Their site was bragging about their great AI technology, but sadly I didn't notice that red flag early enough. The results were nothing short of disastrous. I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that sa…

> they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI This brings a whole new meaning to "over fitting"

I find it amusing that this new meaning is exactly the opposite of the way it’s used in statistics. (Discarding an individual’s particular measurements as noise sounds like under fitting in this problem.) I wonder if this discrepancy has caused any misunderstandings between the AI team and customer service.

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

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post #33
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I sent in my measurements and they sent me a trouser with wrong measurements and a postcard that said that they adjusted my measurements with AI for a better fit That is nothing short of hilarious. The machine knows best! Who are you, human, to pretend you are able to measure yourself?! > AI for memorizing generic trends It's possible "AI" may be just a pretext to sell mass-made junk and pretend it is adjusted to e…

Something similar happened in Japan with Zozosuit, they tried to use 3D reconstruction from smartphone camera for basically two piece business suits in $399, and the end result resembled texture file for your body in ugliest posture stitched together. Maybe it could be considered class of fallacy, a kind that one would say the most popular choice of integers between 1 and 2 is 1.5000001.

“Regression to the mean” is the technical term

Re: Move Slow and Make Things

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It's called statistics, to be fair. In general, if your DS's can't explain the model then something has gone horribly wrong.

>In general, if your DS's can't explain the model then something has gone horribly wrong. With modern ML models data scientists can generally explain why the model should work but not exactly how it gives any specific prediction. Explaining how a model with a trillion parameters comes up with an answer is not a trivial task.

> modern ML models

As an aside, this is a hilarious phrasing. What are we going to call these methods in a decade? You'd probably be better off phrasing it as deep neural networks.

Anyway, this is not really true. There are methods (for lots see: https://christophm.github.io/interpretable-ml-book/) and the DeepDream paper came out in 2015, so it's possible.

It's computationally expensive, and a lot of people don't see the value, but my argument is that if you want to use the model in the real world, and have non-technical stakeholders then you'll need to do this, and in general, I've found it to be the best way to actually improve a model.

And to be fair, if you just need to see how the predictions vary as a function of the inputs, you can again hold all but one constant and run a bunch of different values through the model.

Again, this can all be done, but I think it's more a question of will than capability (and hence the context of my original commment).

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