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Re: The Deno Company

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Let's make a gentlemens' bet. If Deno is still completely free in 5 years, I'll give you $500. You up for that?

A gentleman’s bet with $500 is just a bet.

Isn't a "gentleman's bet" one with no bookie / office / dealer / etc?

Re: The Deno Company

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Most people will do things when in difficulties that they swear they would never do if asked while comfortable.

Most people are pathological liars.

no they're not, a large number are - maybe 13% https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/science/13-people-are-path... , what it is is that most people just aren't that self-aware or have a better opinion of themselves than is perhaps warranted.

So let me make clear here, if I ever start a company based on open source principles and it looks like I am going to get squeezed out of business by Amazon if I keep sticking to those principles I will probably abandon those principles (unless I'm already a billionaire and have something really cool I want to work on anyway) because damned if I would let Amazon beat me. The chance of my abandoning those principles will correlate closely to how bad my finances will be after losing out to Amazon.

On the other hand if I build up a big enough company and start making money off of using open source technologies as a service for other technologists I hope I would support the open source projects from which I was benefiting.

Re: The Deno Company

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Nice to see! How do they plan to monetize? I either became blind or missed it somehow. The article does say how they DON'T plan on monetize: "Rest assured that Deno will remain MIT licensed. For Deno to grow and be maximally useful, it must remain permissively free. We don’t believe the “open core” business model is right for a programming platform like Deno." There are some hints though: "If you watch our conference…

Sounds to me that they will build some sort of hosted service or maybe PaaS based on the Deno runtime (like AppEngine or AWS lambda), but yeah it's pretty vague.

looks like a crowded space.

vc's will issue course correction very soon.

looks like a repeat of docker.

Re: The Deno Company

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Nice to see! How do they plan to monetize? I either became blind or missed it somehow. The article does say how they DON'T plan on monetize: "Rest assured that Deno will remain MIT licensed. For Deno to grow and be maximally useful, it must remain permissively free. We don’t believe the “open core” business model is right for a programming platform like Deno." There are some hints though: "If you watch our conference…

Looks like https://deno.com/deploy will be a managed service - the implication seems to be that the default option will be to use their CDN to run code with an option to DIY if you prefer.

Re: The Deno Company

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Node is only just now getting around to adding promise based APIs to the core. Any time you interact with the Node core APIs you have to drop back to using callbacks - that's at least one area where Node is behind the times.

Or use the ubiquitous NPM to install a promise orientated package... I don’t see this as a big problem honestly.

I'm not sure what you think could qualify Node as not keeping with the times, if not implementing the modern standard for async interfaces isn't it.

Re: The Deno Company

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Deno is licensed as MIT. Awesome! But how will they prevent from being freeloaded?

My sense is that GPL3 gets a ton of criticism on HN, but isn't it the perfect defense against freeloaders?

* license the code for proprietary use in your stack * use GPL3 if you have a non-commercial use, and are willing to accept the requirement to open source your own code.

I don't understand why this option isn't used more by open source projects that want to be able to fund themselves.

Can anyone explain? (Even better if there are examples / case studies)

Re: The Deno Company

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> Of these, the web browser scripting language (JavaScript) is the fastest, most popular, and the only one with an industrial standardization process. Most popular, I can agree. Fastest, & only one with industrial standardization process? Have they met Erlang? edit: you have to be kidding me, downvoted to oblivion for an honest observation. Sorry I hurt javascript's feelings.

Erlang is compiled to bytecode, right? So is it considered a scripting language?

It "feels" like a scripting language and is run in a runtime shell environment. But I would concede to your point, as well.

Re: The Deno Company

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If I understood correctly this is how they intend to make money: > Not every use-case of server-side JavaScript needs to access the file system; our infrastructure makes it possible to compile out unnecessary bindings. This allows us to create custom runtimes for different applications: Electron-style GUIs, Cloudflare Worker-style Serverless Functions, embedded scripting for databases, etc. So it's basically more of…

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