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CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

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Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#61
Enough with the "cyber security" law conspiracy.

Do I need to remind people that these laws are voted on by your elected representatives?

The patriot act is a result of democracy. Don't want cyber security laws? Start by educating people and voting for people who don't want cyber security laws.

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#62
post #46
post #24

The Jester, greyhat patriot who hacked Talibans' websites and forced Wikileaks to change their hosting, is now going after LulzSec. This is a lot more entertaining than TV: https://twitter.com/#!/th3j35t3r

Say, during American Revolutionary War, wouldn't the Jester be considered `loyalist', rather than `patriot'?

Sure, and in WWII the jester would be a patriot.

What other fun wars can we just toss these people into?

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#63

Could LulzSec actually be working for the Government to help create that "civilized" Internet Sarkozy was talking about. They've certainly created the "worst case scenarios" that politicians can point to now. But the most surprising thing about them is how confident they are they won't be caught. Can they really be that sure that they will never be caught doing these attacks? Or are they just reckless? But if they ar…

"Recklessness", in particular due to youth, is a plausible scenario. ISTM that attack surfaces have been growing faster than our capability or willingness to secure them. LulzSec is scoring a lot of websites but has not uniformly gotten access to a lot of really valuable data, only sometimes.

Hacking websites isn't really that hard. Especially if you're just shopping around the net for vulnerabilities and then announcing what you hit post-facto (a "called shot" would be a bit more impressive). This is well within reach of invincible-feeling teens. It's a statement about the poor level of security we have; this stuff really is way easier than it should be.

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#64
post #59

Works for me. It puts me on edge that these idiots would pick such media-friendly targets to strafe with their clueless bandwidth wastage; not looking forward to the next round of "cyber security" laws one bit. "Hey dad, tell me just one more time about how when you were a kid you used to be able to make TCP connections freely and without the connection first being authorized by the NSA." "Go to sleep, son."

I'm wondering if LulzSec is a false flag operation very well engineered.

The same questions and speculation come up in every LulzSec post.

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#65
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that the core of the CIA cares too much about it's public-facing website.

It's got a few important uses. Recruiting, public relations, etc. And then, there's the loss of face in having it down.

CIA also runs the CIA world factbook, which is an incredibly useful resource.

Mostly, though, I'd say this is just egg on their face.

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#66
scratches head

I can load cia.gov just fine. It doesn't even appear to be slow. I opened up the CIA World Factbook then checked their press section & what's new on cia.gov and there was nothing about it going down.

Also, kudos to the CIA for flipping to HTTPS by default.

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#67
post #43

Hacking CIA.gov, if they're half as good as one would expect, should yield no more than the static web content hosted. If there half as good as government contractors tend to be, I expect my tax return to be posted shortly.

They didn't "hack into" the CIA.gov site as far as any of the reports I've read have indicated. They just launched a denial of service attack.

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#68

Enough with the "cyber security" law conspiracy. Do I need to remind people that these laws are voted on by your elected representatives? The patriot act is a result of democracy. Don't want cyber security laws? Start by educating people and voting for people who don't want cyber security laws.

While I agree with some of your setiments, this is a very strawman/ranty type of comment.

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#69

Could LulzSec actually be working for the Government to help create that "civilized" Internet Sarkozy was talking about. They've certainly created the "worst case scenarios" that politicians can point to now. But the most surprising thing about them is how confident they are they won't be caught. Can they really be that sure that they will never be caught doing these attacks? Or are they just reckless? But if they ar…

The crazy thing is (I believe) large botnets are worth a lot of money on the black market. It makes no sense that they would waste their network to take down government websites "for the lulz". Something is missing about the situation.

I don't think something has to be missing here. My experience tells me otherwise, that many botnet ops go for fun and profit and it's not so strictly "just business".

Re: CIA.gov Possibly Down, LulzSec Claims Responsibility

#70
post #64
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm wondering if LulzSec is a false flag operation very well engineered.

The same questions and speculation come up in every LulzSec post.

It might be that they are not a false flag operation but the Government is going to take advantage of the media attention to "civilize Internet".
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