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Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Greenwald is certainly biased, on the one hand he says this:

> Think about that: to a CNN reporter, evidence-free assertions from the U.S. security state are tantamount to “confirmation.” That they really do think this way is nothing short of chilling.

On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald.

I mean, question both sides at least??

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

#62

This takes a very Boolean attitude to truth. Like if I said "the current president of the United States 's family name is Bidden" then that's as false as "Santa Clause's middle name Elvis, is in tribute to his mother's favourite singer". But you could argue that there's measures by which one is more true than the other. In this case, these "lies" all seem to be vaguely within shouting distance of the truth, and his r…

There's zero evidence of any Russians anywhere being involved with Hunter Biden's laptop. It's not a 'gotcha' fact check, the lies are in fact nowhere near the truth.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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post #61

Greenwald is certainly biased, on the one hand he says this: > Think about that: to a CNN reporter, evidence-free assertions from the U.S. security state are tantamount to “confirmation.” That they really do think this way is nothing short of chilling. On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald. I mean, question both sides at least??

The DKIM signatures on the emails were verified. Whatever the laptop's sketchy provenance, the actual content being published from it wasn't a forgery.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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post #55

> It is well worth examining how they function because this is how they deceive the public again and again, and it is why public trust in their pronouncements has justifiably plummeted. I wonder if that might also be due to the previous president repeatedly referring to them as "the enemy of the people".

Lest that seem like hyperbole, here's a news article on the subject, containing links to the tweets:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/437610-trump-cal...

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

supposed laptop And you say Greenwald has lost credibility?

Yes. The better question is, how many years ago, exactly, did Giuliani lose the last shreds of credibility he had remaining? He's the supposed origin of it, right? He claims he received it from some sole-proprietorship independent Mac repair shop, which has now conveniently vanished?

No, it didn't vanish! Tucker Carlson re-obtained it and has stated that he won't release it, out of consideration for Hunter Biden's low fortunes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgO7L0rcAQ

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

#66
Framing is a really important part of mitigating the damage of this story.

For example, make the story about where the laptop came from, and avoid as much as possible the fact POTUS son has incriminating photos and videos (and more?) of himself in the hands of our foreign adversaries.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hunter Biden's laptop is an incredibly awful story. Fox reporters claimed to have obtained the hard drive, then lost it due to conspiracy from the delivery company, then found it, and now refuses to show the contents because Hunter Biden is a down and out man, and it's so sad to kick a remorseful man trying to turn his life around. This is the story according to Fox, and specifically Tucker Carlson — that we cannot s…

I’m sorry? Specific content of the laptop was released, the Biden team was asked if it was authentic and the answer was “no comment”. Why would they do that if it was fake news?

What a strange take. If someone made up a story about me and then someone else asked if it was true, I'd tell them to get lost, not validate the ridiculous attempt at shaping a narrative by engaging with it. It's very very common to "no comment" every false story, because engaging (even with a denial) creates legitimacy for the falsehood.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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Wow. Just wow. I remember early cyberpunks talking about how the internet would enable infinite lies to spread and for the truth to be completely buried in the noise. And here we are. Now our entire reality has been taken over by people living in a fantasy world. No end in sight. Maybe they weren't nearly pessimistic enough.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what content was released? Tucker Carlson specifically stated that kindness for a "pathetic" man was his reason for not releasing "damning" criminal evidence to the public. Where would the Intercept go with that story, not getting to see any evidence, and having the story end on Tucker Carlson saying he won't publicize evidence on corruption? And that the FBI has no comment? What would The Intercept do with No Co…

Have you read the article Glenn wrote that was never published? I’m curious what part exactly you’d call dishonest or unworthy of publication? Glenn does write in an emotional way, but what I like is he tends to exhaustive reference and source his data points. You nicely danced around my comment that none of the content from the laptop has been denied by the Biden team. That’s relevant, no?

That unpublished article was expertly crafted lightning rod contrarian bait.

He calculatedly spun two ‘sides’ very differently and held the ‘evidence’ to different standards, including specifically omitting multiple source facts inconvenient to his spin while seeming to invite them.

Example, from the top level article today:

> In the weeks leading up to the 2020 election, The New York Post obtained that laptop and published a series of articles about the Biden family’s business dealings in Ukraine, China and elsewhere.

‘Obtained’? Really? That word is doing a lot of work there. It’s not false, but really? Everything he writes now is like this — no precise word is dishonest.

His schtick is super well done, imperceptible to or even hotly denied by smart anti-mainstream readers. He’s very good.

Re: Greenwald: Yesterday Journalists Spread a Significant Lie All over Twitter

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post #63
post #61

Greenwald is certainly biased, on the one hand he says this: > Think about that: to a CNN reporter, evidence-free assertions from the U.S. security state are tantamount to “confirmation.” That they really do think this way is nothing short of chilling. On the other hand, the laptop produced by Guliani (of which how he got it is weird) is taken as absolute gospel by Greenwald. I mean, question both sides at least??

The DKIM signatures on the emails were verified. Whatever the laptop's sketchy provenance, the actual content being published from it wasn't a forgery.

Not only that, two people from the emails, Bevan Cooney and Tony Bobulinski, were tracked down and both confirmed the information in the emails were true.
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