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Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

Another reason people don't often take into account is that men have an extra incentive for earning more money as their worth as a person is judged more upon what they make than it is for a woman (women have other things they are judged more upon). So each dollar, beyond the utility of having an extra dollar, also makes them 'more of a man' to use a phrase that tries to condense all of complexities of society's judgements down into 10 letters. Many of the explanations commonly given, like men being willing to take on more dangerous jobs, can be partly explained by their judgment as a person (and as a parent) being derived from what they make to a stronger extent than for a woman.

>women have no interest in money

Just to clarify, there is a difference between no interest and less interest, and also a difference between interest in money and interest in the status associated with a certain level of salary/income beyond what comes just from the money earned.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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This is anecdotal but I'm sure many people are seen this increasingly. In the past 10 years on the job, I'm seeing more guys make jokes about how stupid they are. Every time they make a single mistake they say "oh my God, if my head wasn't attached to my shoulders..." Then it becomes a competition of who has done the dumbest thing. I know it's just being playful, but you rarely see the opposite. Turn the tables, I wa…

I've had a significantly different experience with this. I know a few men who self-deprecate when they make a mistake, but I know more women who do. I haven't seen it turn into a competition on who's done the dumbest thing because I'm seldom in groups where self-deprecation is widely encouraged. I've been the person encouraging people not to self-deprecate in this way, so I don't think it's really a gendered thing. I'm curious if this is trending differently in different age groups I'm almost 40.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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lower testosterone is beneficial - less sexual ruminations - emotional intelligence and organization - cooperation over leadership - retains better short and long term memories - female adult role model is more likely to be available and present Unfortunately HN is dominated by testosterone driven gender so its impossible to have any sort of civilized discussions about this.

Source your extraordinary claims (probably BS).

I think your comment confirms my original points.

downvote away to confirm your self fulfilling biases.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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I recognize that my experience is probably not average - but at my high school (2004-2008 US public school) the advanced/AP classes were 80%-90% female. This was true for all subjects, the student government, and the academic after school activities.

Also anecdotal - but I've seen a lot of the boys who were academically behind seem to get their shit together ~3-5 years after graduating and ended up going to college, grad school, getting white collar jobs, etc.

It appears that if you have the resources and privilege its not too hard to overcome having dicked around in your primary education - but I'm willing to bet most people who aren't in that position never catch up.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

> Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviour of men about work, when they have a socially aceptable and now economical venue to avoid it.

Baby raising is quite important work. I would argue that raising the next generation of workers, taxpayer, customers and pension fund contributors is the most important work of all.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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I wonder if a reason behind it is the fact that girls become hormonally mature earlier than boys. Hormone supplementation on boys could be tested to assess the hypothesis.

What's true one gender must be true for the other, as there is no biological difference between males and females. Right?

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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How is it possible that girls perform better academically (in 2015) yet are under represented in the top tier of jobs? Either women have no interest in money, academic skills have no bearing in getting high paying jobs, or discrimination is more prevalent then you’d think. I suppose all three could be true.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

I'm sorry but why are you so sure they're trying to avoid work? From my experience most women would love to have careers and be financially independent and successful. But babies indeed make it a lot harder -- both from a time/energy perspective and from a discrimination perspective.

Re: Girls perform better academically in almost all countries (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having Babies. Really, being a mother is what skews most stats about women on money issues. There has been policymaking about this in a bunch of european countries, and if they are released from financial constrains (handouts, public housing, whatever) they seem to double down on it. Let's face it, working, for most people, is something you do out of necessity. Why do we really expect women to have a similar behaviou…

Having babies and raising them fully--especially doing it well--is not avoiding work.

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