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Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by woutr_be » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:19 AM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

I don't know all the visa rules, of course. But if you're looking to relocate, you usually needs a visa, or some sort of citizenship. Sponsoring yourself isn't always an option, or might be fairly expensive.

The easiest way to relocate is usually to find a company that can sponsor your visa application, so that you're legally staying in the country, and can enjoy all the public services.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by b112 » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:31 AM UTC

908B64B197 wrote: post #29

andrewstetsenko wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. Actually we thought about adding this info to vacancy pages. However, as our experience shows, many companies are not ready to disclose salary info to the public.

> However, as our experience shows, many companies are not ready to disclose salary info to the public. Depends on the demographic you are trying to attract on the platform. I've done a little bit of tech recruiting and I can tell you this: top engineers, no matter the level, get a lot of offer. And they won't hesitate to sort by compensation (unless of course it's SpaceX). Really, there are two kinds of businesses o…

No kidding. The amount of contact I've had over the last few years, by what might be best-tagged as 'low-ballers'? Absurd.

The most amusing, puerile trick goes somewhat like this:

Looking for junior full stack dev. Expert at query optimization, scaling, python, etc

Junior?! Add the word 'expert' once, and by no means is it a junior role.

I recently had a recruiter approach me with a job description such as:

"Able to mentor junior devs"

along with

"Make key decisions" about this and that, peppered throughout the job description.

Ah. I see. A management role, under the guise of a 'junior' job title. On top of this, my linkedin shows 10+ years experience!

Why are you even calling me for a junior role to begin with? Well the answer is obvious. Keyword search, without even glancing at the linkedin profile.

Then on top of all of that, the pay is below the average junior role position locally. Wha?!

Precisely what are these people looking for? An "extremely intelligent", "driven" and "highly capable" dev, combined with "gullible" and "easy to trick"?

And even if you find such a person, what's the point of it all, when they get offered 2x the salary in 3 months?

I just don't get it.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by r0b05 » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:39 AM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

The visa is what allows us entry into a country though. How does one "move overseas" without a visa/work permit?

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by flimflamm » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:42 AM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

"I expect that’s why the jobs listed on this site don’t reveal salaries."

Showing salaries is not a common practice in European countries in general.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by flimflamm » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:43 AM UTC

hanniabu wrote: post #47

nonameiguess wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Non-software engineering disciplines tend to involve professional licensing that doesn't necessarily carry over automatically to other countries.

Medical typically does

Not necessarily. You might need to get country specific additional training which can be either easy to get or .. well not.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by jasonkester » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:45 AM UTC

woutr_be wrote: post #61

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

I don't know all the visa rules, of course. But if you're looking to relocate, you usually needs a visa, or some sort of citizenship. Sponsoring yourself isn't always an option, or might be fairly expensive. The easiest way to relocate is usually to find a company that can sponsor your visa application, so that you're legally staying in the country, and can enjoy all the public services.

Yeah, the visa thing is the real crux. Fortunately with a US bill rate, you’ll have an extra $150k/yr to figure out a way around it.

Health insurance a lees of a concern, in practice. Catastrophic coverage is pretty cheap from places like IMG Global, and doctors here are happy to take payment directly for more routine things if you’re not on the national plan. And that payment is forty dollars because there’s are no insurance companies to gouge, so gouging isn’t something doctors do.

Personally, I got around the “permission to live” thing by mildly abusing schengen tourist visas for a while, then marrying an English girl. If I had to do it again, I’d go for one of the “show us you have a ton of money in the bank” visa routes. Again, that US bill rate comes in handy...

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by jasonkester » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 7:51 AM UTC

r0b05 wrote: post #63

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

The visa is what allows us entry into a country though. How does one "move overseas" without a visa/work permit?

Fun fact: you can buy a house in France while visiting as a tourist. For the first few years I lived here, I’d split my time between France and England because each one allows you to stay up to 90 days out of any 180 day period.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by danielscrubs » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 8:01 AM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

Please do a thorough analysis before moving abroad.

Many European countries have free healthcare, childcare and education on the other hand 1500$ might not cover the rent if you want something in the middle of the city of the expensive countries!

Taxes are widely different too.

Some of my friends lived in US when they where fresh graduates and moved back when they started having families because it was too expensive to get a relatively good education for their children among other things. I doubt all HackerNews kids will end up in MIT so compare the schools of where they are likely to end up. Check happiness levels too just for good measure.

I say this as an European that will move out of Europe to a country that fits me and my family more and that has made us happier (SF and NY at least is not for us, would like to see LA and Texas some day).

The devil, as always, is in the details, and everyone is different.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by taurath » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 8:02 AM UTC

jasonkester wrote: post #66

woutr_be wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know all the visa rules, of course. But if you're looking to relocate, you usually needs a visa, or some sort of citizenship. Sponsoring yourself isn't always an option, or might be fairly expensive. The easiest way to relocate is usually to find a company that can sponsor your visa application, so that you're legally staying in the country, and can enjoy all the public services.

Yeah, the visa thing is the real crux. Fortunately with a US bill rate, you’ll have an extra $150k/yr to figure out a way around it. Health insurance a lees of a concern, in practice. Catastrophic coverage is pretty cheap from places like IMG Global, and doctors here are happy to take payment directly for more routine things if you’re not on the national plan. And that payment is forty dollars because there’s are no…

And of course, for the rich there are “investment” visas for real estate purchase.

Re: Show HN: Relocate.me – get your next tech job abroad

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Post by redis_mlc » Sat, Mar 06, 2021, 8:05 AM UTC

danielscrubs wrote: post #68

jasonkester wrote: post #56

If you’re an American developer looking to move abroad, a much better plan would be to first pick up a remote gig with an American company, and then move overseas. Your take home pay will be easily triple what you can negotiate from a European company. This site takes the opposite approach of finding positions at EU shops that will handle relocation and visas. That certainly helps get you situated, but they’ll likely…

Please do a thorough analysis before moving abroad. Many European countries have free healthcare, childcare and education on the other hand 1500$ might not cover the rent if you want something in the middle of the city of the expensive countries! Taxes are widely different too. Some of my friends lived in US when they where fresh graduates and moved back when they started having families because it was too expensive…

> Many European countries have free healthcare,

I wish this socialist trope would die. I have never heard of a US programming job that didn't include staff healthcare, plus some dental and eyewear.

Some US companies also include family healthcare, for some there's a fee.