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100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by zeofig »

kryogen1c wrote: post #38

Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…

I feel that ISPs are far from a free market. The regulation as it is works to ensure a monopoly or duopoly. I'm not saying a true free market is a solution, but it would be good if we stopped letting them pretend it's a "free market". It's also pretty funny how 100Mbps is presented as some laudable goal. The technology to give everyone 1Gbps+ is not new and any well-designed modern infrastructure will easily allow such speeds. 100Mbps as the goal tacitly admits that there is no prospect of actually developing well-designed and efficient infrastructure.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by spamizbad »

totalZero wrote: post #15

Imagine how good our network technology policy would be if the Senate weren't run by septagenarians and octogenarian. I fear that data caps for home internet will become standard. There is no technological reason for these caps. For wireless, they could be defended by arguing that companies only get to use so much spectrum because of FCC laws. But the only limit for home internet is the ISP's willingness to deploy eq…

I dunno there's a handful of millennial politicians in congress and they're hit-or-miss.

I would focus less on the age of the Senators and more on the fact that your median voter is 50 years old. And your median primary voter is 58 years old. They also consume significantly more television (and less Internet) than people under 40 (Millennials and Gen-Z).

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by ksec »

kryogen1c wrote: post #38

Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…

>-25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people.

Except most household have more than 1 person. A family of four sharing 100Mbps isn't a lot.

I am not sure if 100Mbps upload is a realistic option in US. But I would at least expect 50Mbps to be minimum per household. DOSCIS 4.0 should be able to handle that.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by rejectfinite »

kryogen1c wrote: post #38

Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…

>-25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0]

Yes, for one person.

Having lived with a family fo 4 using ADSL, it was not fun when 3 people watched Netflix on their own screens, and having to update a game.

Or with the pandemic and WFH, you have maybe 4 people using DSL for Teams/Skype/Zoom meetings and trying to work/study at the same time.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by TLightful »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #55

While we're at it, let's prevent ISPs from disallowing us to run a business on our home internet. Why should it matter to them how we use our bits? Sell us on a support plan and higher uptime, sure, but there's no reason we should be disallowed from private enterprise because we're not "paying for a business account".

Wow, is that a thing in the US?

Home of capitalism!

Sorry to hear that.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by viraptor »

nikanj wrote: post #42
viraptor wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is one reason for some caps, which is that you'll always get oversubscription in the cities, and the caps could reflect that to prevent 100% utilisation. They don't have to be so small that people actually think about them. Basically set it at 1TB for residential for the lowest plan and forget about it.

1TB goes by shockingly fast with 4k video streaming (5-10 gigs per hour) and game updates that weight in at tens of gigs each.

That's why I mentioned lowest plan. Sure, bump it up for higher levels. But if you want 100h of 4k content a month... just pay for the higher quality to subsidize network development which can handle it?

This is totally out of the minimum requirement area.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by abstractbarista »

ksec wrote: post #63
kryogen1c wrote: post #38

Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…

>-25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. Except most household have more than 1 person. A family of four sharing 100Mbps isn't a lot. I am not sure if 100Mbps upload is a realistic option in US. But I would at least expect 50Mbps to be minimum per household. DOSCIS 4.0 should be able to handle that.

What's the upload speed in this example? Symmetric 100Mb would be more than fine for 4 people. And just fine with 100/25. However, 100/5 will be stressful.

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Post by sigstoat »

markovbot wrote: post #29
Panino wrote: post #3

> The funding is going to a mix of cable, fiber, and fixed wireless providers, plus SpaceX's Starlink satellite network. I think cable providers should be left out. They were already gifted many billions of dollars in the past for this same basic purpose but they pocketed the money. They can just use the free money they've already been given. Instead, the funding should go to existing munipical fiber ISPs to expand t…

for-profit corporations should not own our communications infrastructure.

can they own our food production infrastructure? how about our clothing industry? home construction?

those all represent far more fundamental human needs than communication.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by blackaspen »

ksec wrote: post #63
kryogen1c wrote: post #38

Lets try and suss out some of the multiple issues with US internet: -regulating ISPs as a free market is, to be hyperbolic, a disaster. there is effectively a monopoly in most parts of the country. -25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. the issue is that its provided on a best effort basis that is never maintained for long, if at all. netflix says thats enough to stream UHD[0] -FTA: "Those data points…

>-25/3 Mbps is a very reasonable speed for most people. Except most household have more than 1 person. A family of four sharing 100Mbps isn't a lot. I am not sure if 100Mbps upload is a realistic option in US. But I would at least expect 50Mbps to be minimum per household. DOSCIS 4.0 should be able to handle that.

DOCSIS 3.1 has support for 1Gbps uploads.

Re: 100Mbps uploads and downloads should be US broadband standard, senators say

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Post by totalZero »

spamizbad wrote: post #62
totalZero wrote: post #15

Imagine how good our network technology policy would be if the Senate weren't run by septagenarians and octogenarian. I fear that data caps for home internet will become standard. There is no technological reason for these caps. For wireless, they could be defended by arguing that companies only get to use so much spectrum because of FCC laws. But the only limit for home internet is the ISP's willingness to deploy eq…

I dunno there's a handful of millennial politicians in congress and they're hit-or-miss. I would focus less on the age of the Senators and more on the fact that your median voter is 50 years old. And your median primary voter is 58 years old. They also consume significantly more television (and less Internet) than people under 40 (Millennials and Gen-Z).

There's only one senator under 40 and he's pretty supportive of an open internet.

AOC seems like she understands the massive reach and power of the internet...she chided Dems for under-spending on online ads and went after Zuckerberg for not deleting false content. She's not even a technologist and she "gets" technology more than many who have much more experience. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly in awe of her or anyone else in Congress...just clarifying that it does indeed seem that the young ones understand technology's impact on society far better than the old ones.

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