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Re: Flutter 2

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Post by tpmx »

trezm wrote: post #27
tpmx wrote: post #2

Last time I tested a Flutter-built app on an iPhone X (perhaps a year ago) there was still obvious jank in transitions/animations. I assume most of the showcases mentioned here (WeChat, Grab, Yandex Go, Nubank, Sonos, Fastic, Betterment and realtor.com) are Flutter-based on Android only? Is there a well-built Flutter-based iOS app without jank now?

Interesting you mention it. I've actually been working on a fairly fully featured app in flutter, and was shocked at how well it performed on iOS. Coming from the React Native world its miles ahead in terms of perf, at least in our case. Shameless plug, the app is https://droppod.gg , an app to find time to play video games with your friends!

I tried it - there's some jank here and there, but the general experience is smooth. Image loading while scrolling through your game feed seems to cause skipped frames, but that's not necessarily the toolkit's fault.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by axegon_ »

dstaley wrote: post #7

Flutter for Web feels like such a wild step backwards in terms of functionality that I'm not sure the benefits it brings are worth it. I just tried a few samples, and basic interactions like selecting text, saving images, and opening links in new tabs don't work. This is the result of rendering everything to a element. I'm much more interested in a React Native style approach, which seems to provide a consistent set…

Annoyingly yes. If flutter web behaved like a true web(whether that be through building html elements or through canvas), it would have been a breath of fresh air and for once not a cluttered codebase of 8000 npm modules, html templates and a ditch full of css and no idea of figuring out which is which and which comes from where. I can kind of see a market for it in a sense that I don't want to install a separate app to track my shipment from a specific courier and have a web which is easily accessible on my phone but those are very narrow niches and honestly I can't think of a business that would invest into something like that for nothing more than accessibility. Aside from that I strongly stand by the statement that flutter is the best option for cross-platform mobile apps by a very long shot.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by ignoramous »

beaner wrote: post #28

> Google Pay switched to Flutter a few months ago for their flagship mobile app, and they already achieved major gains in productivity and quality. I don't know how they can claim this. The new Google Pay on Android was noticeably laggier the moment it was released. It continues to be so, and I still hate using it. Now I know the cause.

I don't auto-update any Google app anymore. The amount of bloat keeps piling up with each new update. Google's Product Managers, as great as they are, need to seriously slowdown a bit.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by mda »

randomchars wrote: post #35

The idea sounds very appealing, especially to an indie developer: being able to ship your app on multiple platforms from a single codebase is kind of the holy grail. Unfortunately, the result is.... I tested this Flutter example[1], on a 16" MBP with and i7, and it is janky as it can get, it feels like I'm using a 15 year old computer. From the code it looks like the whole thing is... rendered on canvas? I'll pass. […

Well, to give counterpoint, just tested on Chrome / Windows (ok-ish CPU, decent GPU) all demos are buttery smooth no lag or jank whatsoever.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by offtop5 »

Pretty sure I'm the only person on this thread who loves flutter. We use flutter web and Firebase for our hobbyist project, and the results have been simply amazing.

Dart makes Typescript look like a joke. The build system alone makes flutter better than React Native !

I'm confident in being able to build any CRUD app in dart

Edit, in fact how many of you have actually built a project in flutter .I can't believe anyone would want to go back to react native after trying it

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by refulgentis »

dstaley wrote: post #7

Flutter for Web feels like such a wild step backwards in terms of functionality that I'm not sure the benefits it brings are worth it. I just tried a few samples, and basic interactions like selecting text, saving images, and opening links in new tabs don't work. This is the result of rendering everything to a element. I'm much more interested in a React Native style approach, which seems to provide a consistent set…

Things changed a lot, I observed the same symptoms as late as late 2020, I can't reproduce these issues now

In general Flutter for Web is _amazing_ if you want to deploy an app.

after seeing this thread, pretty clear to me its almost a perfect nerdsnipe - makes perfect sense if you're already building a Flutter codebase, sounds bonkers if you build web apps.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by ardit33 »

This is DOA..... fine for some generic/basic app, but I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole if you are building a serious app.

This is another attempt from javascript/web front end developers trying to unseat native apps.... with the naive promise that is truly build once, run everywhere...

It hasn't worked since 1995.... as these frameworks get decent, native apps push the envelope and user expectations just increase over time, and apps created by these framework just look outdated or as toys.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by dhbradshaw »

One question that's been in the back of everyone's mind with Flutter is "will Google toy with Flutter and then drop it? Or will they stick with it and make it the real deal?"

I take this post as partial evidence that they're making this the real deal. It's already surprisingly good, and there's reason to believe that it will get a whole lot better.

Re: Flutter 2

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Post by mikece »

tasogare wrote: post #33
bilal4hmed wrote: post #22

I was honestly surprised to see Microsofts name on there as a contributor

Classical MS move: spending more efforts on competing technologies than on their own (in this case dotnet).

Even Microsoft realize that Xamarin is not a tool for serious mobile or desktop development. Sure, you can get apps that work but they are 2.5x larger than if you had written them in Java or Kotlin and offer no more features than if you had done a hybrid mobile app with Ionic instead. Everyone thought Microsoft acquired Xamarin for the mobile dev tooling? No: it was the only way they could get the brain trust and the core Mono team at Xamarin to come work for them.
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