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Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Post by Traster »

mrtrustor wrote: post #50
jabo wrote: post #47

I see some Google Cloud folks in the comments, so question for you, if you're able to share: There seems to be a general fear about Google potentially killing off a product, based on recent history [1]. Now I know most of these are on the consumer side of things, but you can imagine people's concerns if the same thing started happening to Google Cloud products. Is the GCP team aware of these concerns, (or is this jus…

When a company like Deutsche Bank [1] signs a 10-year deal, you can be sure that they have been convinced that the products they rely on will not go anywhere. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-07/google-de... (Google Cloud employee here)

I don't work in cloud, I work in a completely different part of Tech. However, we do deal with big clients, and essentially it was always a different game for them- extended support for products, alpha/patch releases where necessary, because those businesses drive so much revenue and the last thing you want is for the corporation at an organisational level say "We're a client".

That doesn't help the smaller developers though - you just have to hope that Deutsche Bank wants the same things you do, which is.... unlikely.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Post by ghayes »

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #60
jabo wrote: post #47

I see some Google Cloud folks in the comments, so question for you, if you're able to share: There seems to be a general fear about Google potentially killing off a product, based on recent history [1]. Now I know most of these are on the consumer side of things, but you can imagine people's concerns if the same thing started happening to Google Cloud products. Is the GCP team aware of these concerns, (or is this jus…

Honest question: Do they kill off GCP services/features? Often? More or less than AWS?

As a user of GCP, this really feels like a HackerNews meme that doesn't have any substance. I have never had a GCP feature killed, but I've had many AWS features mothballed. I am not really sure how to change the perception here since it's easy to say: "Google kills products-- therefore I will never use any Google product†"

† Except search, email and phone.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Post by solosoyokaze »

ghayes wrote: post #62
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Do they kill off GCP services/features? Often? More or less than AWS?

As a user of GCP, this really feels like a HackerNews meme that doesn't have any substance. I have never had a GCP feature killed, but I've had many AWS features mothballed. I am not really sure how to change the perception here since it's easy to say: "Google kills products-- therefore I will never use any Google product†" † Except search, email and phone.

They kill all kinds of stuff. I still remember dealing with this one:

https://cloud.google.com/network-connectivity/docs/vpn/depre...

Here's a take from an ex-googler:

https://medium.com/@steve.yegge/dear-google-cloud-your-depre...

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Post by Clewza313 »

andrewprock wrote: post #52

This looks like the kind of documentation I see in code: int x; // variable x stores ints

This is a point in GCP's favor, since it generally has sane product names. By comparison, to quote some recent Corey Quinn snark, AWS has Lookout for Equipment, Trainium, Glue Elastic Views and SageMaker Data Wrangler.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Post by decebalus1 »

mrtrustor wrote: post #50
jabo wrote: post #47

I see some Google Cloud folks in the comments, so question for you, if you're able to share: There seems to be a general fear about Google potentially killing off a product, based on recent history [1]. Now I know most of these are on the consumer side of things, but you can imagine people's concerns if the same thing started happening to Google Cloud products. Is the GCP team aware of these concerns, (or is this jus…

When a company like Deutsche Bank [1] signs a 10-year deal, you can be sure that they have been convinced that the products they rely on will not go anywhere. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-07/google-de... (Google Cloud employee here)

> you can be sure that they have been convinced that the products they rely on will not go anywhere.

And the products won't go anywhere.. for Deutsche Bank. This is common for enterprise contracts. It means jack shit for consumers.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Post by techfoolery »

justapassenger wrote: post #57
mrtrustor wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a company like Deutsche Bank [1] signs a 10-year deal, you can be sure that they have been convinced that the products they rely on will not go anywhere. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-07/google-de... (Google Cloud employee here)

What if you aren’t Deutsche Bank? Parts of the products they depend on are mostly safe, what about features they don’t use, but my small shop depends on?

Shh... The product marketing-authored deck on common objections doesn't care about SMBs. No offense to the original comment, but that's such a rehearsed answer that as you mentioned is irrelevant (despite sounding good on the surface) to everyone else.

A contract like Deutsche Bank means dedicated GCP customer engineers, professional service engagements at the highest levels, direct conversations with individual product leaders/managers, roadmaps conveyed to their needs, alphas etc etc.

If it's irrelevant to the Deutsche Bank's of customers, then it's of course fair game to get f'd with.

Re: Google Cloud products in 4 words or less

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Post by john-shaffer »

ghayes wrote: post #62
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Do they kill off GCP services/features? Often? More or less than AWS?

As a user of GCP, this really feels like a HackerNews meme that doesn't have any substance. I have never had a GCP feature killed, but I've had many AWS features mothballed. I am not really sure how to change the perception here since it's easy to say: "Google kills products-- therefore I will never use any Google product†" † Except search, email and phone.

> I've had many AWS features mothballed.

What, exactly? AWS is legendary for maintaining compatibility. Steve Yegge's article gives a good break down on how infamous GCP's deprecation practices are.

I was lucky in that GCP killed off the feature I wanted before I ever used it, so I didn't have to get burned in production. AWS has never burned me. (GCP used to have a service to do transformations on images in object storage, which I learned about in an App Engine book. It took me a few hours of searching to even find the deprecation notice. Now I just use https://github.com/awslabs/serverless-image-handler because I don't trust GCP).

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