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Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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I've used several battery powered grease guns. Some of them already have "measured output" modes. Have you looked into integration with those types of tools to automatically deliver the right amount to the serialized zerk? Heavy industry is where things made of steel plate die hard deaths. How have you hardened your electronics? What's the price point owning the "system" when realized into a annual TCOO assuming a ce…

Hi Sean, Yes, we have a Milwaukee grease gun with the measured output. What our system has shown is that their "measurement" is not perfectly accurate all the time.

The biggest factor is the human performing the greasing remembering how much grease is required for each individual zerk and how often they require greasing. Reading the user manuals of some of this equipment shows that one machine might have 10 zerks that require 3 different volumes at 5 different greasing intervals. How can a maintenance operator be expected to remember all of that information for all equipment across the plant? Managing this data is the core value that GreaseBoss delivers to the maintenance operators.

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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HaaS is definitely a thing. PMaaS, as well! (Preventative Maintenance)

I know a number of industrial robotics manufacturers have been pushing data-driven preventative maintenance initiatives. Ideally (for the manufacturer) this work is performed by the manufacturers techs during scheduled operator downtime, including the lubing of mechanical systems.

Have you all thought about presenting an alternative arrangement for the lubrication responsibilities of specialized systems, like industrial robotics, that might already have maintenance responsibilities (possibly contracts) in place?

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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Interesting concept - I have heard of grease "dose" devices before, AvE on YouTube takes one apart in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydhndNX_8KI

It's effectively an unattended, disposable piston that uses an electronic timer to periodically generate gases to push the grease out. Everything is calibrated so that it dispenses approximately the right amount over the right time period. For machines that can use one of these, I wonder if there is room for integration with the GreaseBoss RFID tags and tracking system.

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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post #59

I've used several battery powered grease guns. Some of them already have "measured output" modes. Have you looked into integration with those types of tools to automatically deliver the right amount to the serialized zerk? Heavy industry is where things made of steel plate die hard deaths. How have you hardened your electronics? What's the price point owning the "system" when realized into a annual TCOO assuming a ce…

Hi Sean, Yes, we have a Milwaukee grease gun with the measured output. What our system has shown is that their "measurement" is not perfectly accurate all the time. The biggest factor is the human performing the greasing remembering how much grease is required for each individual zerk and how often they require greasing. Reading the user manuals of some of this equipment shows that one machine might have 10 zerks tha…

I think we're agreeing :) I was getting at the fact that full integration would be cool because then you both wouldn't need to remember, or even pay attention to setting it.

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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It's really interesting to see what IoT is becoming in reality versus the hype from 5 years go. I guess the industrial cloud is actually a thing. I'd love to see a teardown of one of your grease guns and how you keep the delicate components safe.

Haha yes, the industrial cloud is definitely a thing..

We faced challenges with getting such a system to be "industry ready" on the shoestring budget that we started with and hence our very first prototype that went into industry trials failed early. Our later version has taken on board all of the learnings from these first failures as well as a bit more budget. The system uses engineering plastics (like acetal and polycarbonate) as well as high quality, off the shelf industrial products. That being said we have another 2 or so product iterations planned to continue to ruggedise the system further. Our customers on these sites can be very rough on the tools.

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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>On the hardware side: we put RFID tags that fit like washers under each zerk. These are read by a head unit that is retrofittable to existing grease guns, which includes a custom RFID reader integrated into the nozzle. It also includes a flow meter and supporting electronics. Our device has 4G, Wifi and LoRa for comms, but also operates in an offline mode for customers in remote locations. Our hardware is rugged, dust proof, and water proof for some of the toughest operational environments (and operators..)

Sounds expensive, grease zerk's are cheap, and easily replaceable, these sound expensive and likely just as prone to failure as a simple one.

>On the software side, we record each greasing in the cloud, right as the worker greases the zerk. Since most industry is still tracking this using paperwork, you can imagine how much more efficient this is. Our customers get back to production much faster.

This sounds like an over engineered, expensive version of a maintenance schedule. It's a management problem if they're not scheduling maintenance.

Workers are still stopping to grease machines, they're still using the same amount of grease, greasing the same spots at the same scheduled times. Tracking this by cloud adds nothing really from what I can tell.

This whole system would have driven me nuts when I was working machines doing biweekly greasing and maintenance.

It would have been just one more thing to worry about inside the machines and believe me, every little thing inside a machine that can go wrong, will go wrong at some point.

A couple of the machines had a few parts that were greased by a computer controlled auto greaser, it was always prone to trouble and needed to be adjusted frequently.

As you say yourself also, greasing maintenance is incredibly important to avoid downtime and machine damage, why should a company rely on your third party cloud for this?

What guarantee is there of its continued support and existence?

What happens if there's internet outages?

How does having a third party between me and the maintenance of my machines benefit me?

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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This seems likely to have a good overlap with safety procedures. As such integration with the big bads in this space would be a nice box to tick - i think the term to google is EHSQ - the only one I know of is intelex. Might be worth looking at. Overall, I love the rfid two-step idea - it's simple and brilliant. Good luck ! :-)

Thanks! Yes, i've been speaking to some guys in the oil and gas sector and one of them told me that greasing valves in that environment is a process safety concern as the grease assists the valve to seal and prevent gas leaks. We will definitely play the safety angle with these types of industries. Thanks for the feedback

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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Stuff like this could have incredible value, but be aware that you are up against once of the most powerful forces in the universe: people that don't give a shit. > The idea for GreaseBoss came when Steve and Tim saw frequent machine breakdowns Were you doing the dirty work, or were you watching from the office? Those RFID washers look a whole lot different to the guy with the wrench than they do to the guy with the…

My comment sounds a little anti-blue collar, so I should clarify what I'm getting at. I grew up with roughnecks in and around oil fields. I'm looking at this through their eyes.

When they look at electronics, they see another thing about to break. These are guys that are used to dealing with industrial grade hydraulic systems and the like.

They also feel like they know what needs to be done to get the job done, and they are highly uninterested in introducing another way for the boss to more efficiently hassle them.

IMHO that means your biggest challenge is making fans out of the guys on the wrench through absolutely bulletproof reliability and convincing managers to not use it punitively.

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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>On the hardware side: we put RFID tags that fit like washers under each zerk. These are read by a head unit that is retrofittable to existing grease guns, which includes a custom RFID reader integrated into the nozzle. It also includes a flow meter and supporting electronics. Our device has 4G, Wifi and LoRa for comms, but also operates in an offline mode for customers in remote locations. Our hardware is rugged, du…

> Workers are still stopping to grease machines, they're still using the same amount of grease, greasing the same spots at the same scheduled times. Tracking this by cloud adds nothing really from what I can tell.

Except apparently they aren't if the initial claim is to be believed (that $21B of industrial failure is caused by incorrect greasing). If you integrate tracking hardware on a per-zerk basis, you can easily tell if a worker missed a zerk, etc.

Re: Launch HN: GreaseBoss (YC W21) – Real-time system to manage industrial greasing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our customers like the visibility the software brings to their operation. They keep inventing uses for the data we hadn't thought of - we had a customer who owns an intermittantly used shiploader request a report showing the last greasing of each zerk to be outputted 2 hours before the ship arrives in port, this is so they can prevent unforseen breakdowns while the shiploader is in operation and the costs are high We…

Interesting insights, thanks for taking the time to reply! Always interested in this kind of stuff after working in the water resources field on the software side of things. We pull in data from telemetered data loggers (like Sutron - https://www.sutron.com/ ) and then create data driven maps and dashboards on top of it. Cool to see you guys operating both in the hardware and software space.

Thanks Tyler. Your line of work seems interesting. We are probably not there just yet but in 6 months or so, it would be interesting to see how we could extract more value out of the data we're receiving. What is the name of your company?
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