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Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by grenoire »

derision wrote: post #52
delightful wrote: post #18

Is it correct Comma.AI sees this as the following statement below appears to say, or am I missing something? If so, why would anyone be using this product outside of a test environment that’s fully controlled? — “Any user of this software shall indemnify and hold harmless comma.ai, Inc. and its directors, officers, employees, agents, stockholders, affiliates, subcontractors and customers from and against all allegati…

it's pretty cleared being sold as a devkit. would you buy a PS5 devkit and expect it to be exactly the same as the retail PS5? I don't understand the issue here

No, I would expect the devkit to be superior to the retail product. That's not the word you're looking for.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by slg »

derision wrote: post #52
delightful wrote: post #18

Is it correct Comma.AI sees this as the following statement below appears to say, or am I missing something? If so, why would anyone be using this product outside of a test environment that’s fully controlled? — “Any user of this software shall indemnify and hold harmless comma.ai, Inc. and its directors, officers, employees, agents, stockholders, affiliates, subcontractors and customers from and against all allegati…

it's pretty cleared being sold as a devkit. would you buy a PS5 devkit and expect it to be exactly the same as the retail PS5? I don't understand the issue here

"Yeah, but, John, if The Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists." ~ Ian Malcolm

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by chairmanwow1 »

plif wrote: post #30
chairmanwow1 wrote: post #3

I bought my car with the express intent of getting a compatible car for Comma. My comma absolutely increased the utility of my car to me. Been on 3 huge road trips that I wouldn’t have considered without the device. 12 hours on the road isn’t something I would do everyday, but absolutely bearable with a comma.

Which car and what did you drive before? And can you quantify how much benefit you see over adaptive cruise / lane assist / etc that is standard on many cars these days? I agree with your sentiment, just unsure what your point of reference is and how much impact the fancy AI actually has. My car (2017 model) has the features I mentioned from the factory and is great on long trips too.

I didn’t own a car before ;) I rode a bicycle and took the train. Although I would rent cars when driving up to Tahoe or Yosemite.

I would say that the lane-keep systems are pretty conservative. I tend to think of it that those systems help you steer while comma will do it for you.

There’s a huge difference between hands and feet off the steering wheel/pedals and needing to guide it every step of the way.

In particular, I think I tried a VW and a Ford’s lane assist. They would lessen the torque for turning the wheel, but wouldn’t actually make a turn by itself, which has marginal value, but significantly less.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by [deleted] »

easton wrote: post #29
yannoninator wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know for sure Tesla and Uber has. Seems like Comma's product requires your attention through driver monitoring whereas Tesla's product is non existent in this area. And with Uber the driver was distracted. edit: Downvoters, i'm a bit confused here, so Tesla and Uber hasn't killed anybody then?

Doesn't Tesla check to make sure your hands are on the wheel (as does Honda and I'm sure the rest of the OEM lane-assist products)

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Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by TameAntelope »

madamelic wrote: post #33
tdeck wrote: post #4

Anyone know if this has killed someone yet?

Human life is sacred. Absolutely. but. If we are concerned with cars killing people, we should get rid of cars. This FUD around self-driving == killing people will, in the long-term, cause more deaths than the handful of sensationalized stories about self-driving deaths. The only reason those car crashes get national attention is because they were self-driving. In every other way they are boring. Bicyclists hit by ca…

I'm concerned about being the donor of the red ink the subsequent regulation gets written in.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by db374837 »

bri3d wrote: post #32
tekromancr wrote: post #6

Wait, founded by George Hotz? As in GeoHot? The PS3 jailbreak guy?

Yes, this has been his project for many years now - he threw a fit and fled to China in 2016 when the NHTSA sent him a Special Order requesting test data for the Comma One product, which he then cancelled and released as pseudo open-source (the ML model is still a closed black box).

Yours is the very essence of a HackerNews comment. Comma is everything a startup should be. They are not wrapping a lame business model in CRUD and living off of malinvestment. They are solving ridiculously hard problem with a small team of very smart people. Their competition has burnt billions. Meanwhile, Comma is profitable, has a better safety model than anyone.

Hotz is a legend and is not running from anyone.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by LegitShady »

easton wrote: post #29
yannoninator wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know for sure Tesla and Uber has. Seems like Comma's product requires your attention through driver monitoring whereas Tesla's product is non existent in this area. And with Uber the driver was distracted. edit: Downvoters, i'm a bit confused here, so Tesla and Uber hasn't killed anybody then?

Doesn't Tesla check to make sure your hands are on the wheel (as does Honda and I'm sure the rest of the OEM lane-assist products)

Comma has a driver facing camera doing driver monitoring

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by qbasic_forever »

jeremycarter wrote: post #62

Not sure I'm so keen on Python driving my car. I've looked through some of the code and I think for me to buy into the safety the quality of the code would need to be improved, well commented, and audited.

Haha I just had a horrifying throught about troubleshooting broken virtualenv installs and deadlocked dependencies, while on the side of the road with a car that refuses to start.

Re: Autopilot on Cars for $999

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Post by onion2k »

madamelic wrote: post #33
tdeck wrote: post #4

Anyone know if this has killed someone yet?

Human life is sacred. Absolutely. but. If we are concerned with cars killing people, we should get rid of cars. This FUD around self-driving == killing people will, in the long-term, cause more deaths than the handful of sensationalized stories about self-driving deaths. The only reason those car crashes get national attention is because they were self-driving. In every other way they are boring. Bicyclists hit by ca…

Does this mean that if I build an AI controlled gun turret to shoot people who walk across my lawn it shouldn't be news when it kills someone because people get shot by other people quite regularly?

In my opinion the application of technology, and (more importantly) the delegation of human responsibility to a computer, should be something that's part of the national conversation.

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