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Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by gumby »

liaukovv wrote: post #29
gumby wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do people really travel any kind of distance to commit crimes? I thought that most crimes were committed in one's own neighborhood, then nearby ones.

That would be a very bad tactic In fact touring crime seems like a better approach, you commit a bunch of crimes in a city and move on, never to be seen there again

That's what I had assumed too, but there are several factors that dominate, statistically:

When you do a crime close to home you blend in, you are more likely to know about the opportunities, and you can more quickly/easily escape home.

Crimes of passion and opportunity are by definition done where you happen to be, which is likely to be where you typically are anyway.

Many "crimes" are really defined to control populations, so the people committing them aren't really criminals and of course such "crimes" are enforced where the target population lives.

Of course crimes are also committed by people who don't live nearby, but they seem to be a small minority of crimes, though a large majority of book/movie crimes (otherwise...how boring those stories would be)

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by dang »

greatjack613 wrote: post #30
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

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Please don't take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. We want curious conversation here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by ilaksh »

ALittleLight wrote: post #55
fortran77 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you saying? These people are stealing and pointing guns at people only because they feel it's "unfair" that other people have more money than they do?

I think that's part of it. Imagine doing demanding or demeaning labor all day and making a tenth of what the guy spending 7-8 hours a day typing on a computer and playing Ping Pong makes. That would certainly seem unfair to me. Can't afford nice stuff, but you could take it... On top of that, SF refuses to punish crimes like theft, so...

I doubt that the people doing the robbery do demeaning or dema ding labor all day.

They are probably career criminals or drug addicts or both. It seems that those groups flourish in such neighborhoods in SF.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

nimos wrote: post #37
jacquesc wrote: post #5

I wonder if the Union square Apple store has this issue, or if PR keeps it hush. I'd imagine it would be really bad for business if customers found out, and they print money at that location

There is almost always a cop there. I walk by pretty frequently and I can't recall seeing it open without a cop. Could be wrong - not exactly casing the joint on my lunch walks.

They are among several SF businesses that hire off-duty cops under a program called “10-B”. They pay the officer’s overtime wage ($100/hr) plus a 14.7% admin fee to the city. Details here: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/Busin...

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by ilaksh »

tristanb wrote: post #45

In the last month in San Francisco. - Someone was shot on my doorstep at 6am. Survived. - My friend was woken up on the couch when a bullet landed at his feet. (Was fired up in the air and came down through a skylight). - My wife found a homeless person so dead they had rigor mortis - We tried to buy a house and failed when it had 37 other offers I still love this place, and its been my home for 15 years but it ain't…

Check out Playas de Tijuana, Mexico. Occasionally it smells bad, but not usually, and in my neighborhood we have a strong police presence. Also living a block from the beach only costs $500. And on Mondays there is a market on the street right in front of the apartment. I rarely see any homeless people. The dogs and barbed wire are usually enough to prevent most robberies as long as you don't park a really nice car on the street for long. And it only costs $500 per month for rent.

Based on the descriptions in this thread, I actually think my neighborhood is safer and more pleasant than many places in San Francisco.

It's making me feel better about my own situation.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by mc32 »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #24
dragonwriter wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. Probably doesn't make a big difference to San Francisco vs other major West Coast cities, since most of the major West Coast cities are also in California.

that makes sense - I suspect it’s this in addition to local prosecutors failing to prosecute. There was an article last year about how the thieves know to stay in san francisco county and not cross into san mateo county, because the chances of being arrested and prosecuted is much higher in san mateo county

Right. Daly City is next door and crime gets prosecuted there therefore fewer of these types of crimes.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by mc32 »

tjalfi wrote: post #9
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

It’s also the way SF deals with crime. Daly City borders SF and they don’t suffer these crimes at the same rate. Their prosecutors prosecute. They don’t play the restorative justice game —which SF pushes on victims.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by systemvoltage »

tjalfi wrote: post #9
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Proposition 47[0] in 2014 substantially reduced the penalties for shoplifting, grand theft, forgery, fraud, and other crimes. Stealing It would be surprising if this didn't lead to a substantial increase in the crime rate. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_California_Proposition_47

Since when is even stealing anything excusable? Stealing $300 purse or $30000 car is exactly the same thing morally. The value of the item is in some ways orthogonal.

Theft should be punished in the strongest forms possible so no one even thinks about doing it. Minimum 1 year in prison for stealing anything.

Convince me otherwise.

Re: B8ta closing another San Francisco store after armed robbery

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Post by paxys »

snapetom wrote: post #46
ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Guarantee you if the Seattle store was in Downtown, you would see the same thing. The physical environment is right - huge population of drug addicts and homeless and less populated due to COVID. The political climate is right - the Attorney General barely prosecutes violent assaults, and flat out doesn't prosecute property crimes. The voters are fine with this. The B8ta store here is in an upscale mall in the Univer…

There is no real "upscale" shopping area in San Francisco. Hayes Valley, where this store is located, is actually considered quite fancy. Union Square, the tourist/shopping hotspot, is in an even worse condition.

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Post by diogenescynic »

ilamont wrote: post #2

Good for him, standing up for his employees who clearly must be very alarmed. B8ta has stores around the globe, and Norby told SFGATE last month that the crime in San Francisco is unlike anything the company experiences elsewhere. “This actually doesn’t happen anywhere else in the country,” he said. “We have 17 other stores, including three internationally. This just doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s only here.” Why…

Because criminals know they won’t be prosecuted or arrested or convicted in SF. This emboldens crime.
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