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Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by Duwensatzaj »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #3

Many will disagree, but this is the result of holding the plataforms accountable for what the users upload. The traffic is so inmense that they have to resort to shitty algorithms. Because given Google's (any big tech company really) lack of morals, I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

> I don't believe they'd care to censor anything at all.

Old Google maybe. The kind of Google employee who broke down in 2016 asking “How could we let this happen?” has a very different approach.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by cryptica »

s3r3nity wrote: post #59
cryptica wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is incorrect. Corporations are soulless financial instruments designed purely to deflect blame away from people who repeatedly engage in unethical activities. Corporations ought to be abolished. They are a cancer on society. Just read the legal definition of a corporation out loud and it's pretty clear what it's designed to do. There is nothing ambiguous about it. It's an instrument designed to legitimize crimin…

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Reduced poverty for who? For criminals perhaps. It made honest people poor and crooks rich. The world was better before when the dishonest people were poor and people knew the meaning of honour. The people whom this system currently serves will surely run it all into the ground when they realize that they have no operating values and therefore anything goes...

We will soon learn what it means to have a society devoid of values or social contracts.

Good luck with your forever improving world.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by devlopr »

jfrunyon wrote: post #51
ikerdanzel wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google censorship is more equal than other possibilities. They themselves have committed a lot lately compare to say owner did it. Purely based on perception, without any proof, I say your last statement is unlikely.

"More equal"? The idea that YouTube deleted some random videos that no one has ever heard of and then lied about it, is "more equal" than the idea that an organization whose stated position is basically "Google bad because censor" wants to make Google seem bad?

This was an academic channel conference that many people viewed. Perhaps not a popular channel for you but still worthy of existing.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by grandmczeb »

devlopr wrote: post #63
jfrunyon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"More equal"? The idea that YouTube deleted some random videos that no one has ever heard of and then lied about it, is "more equal" than the idea that an organization whose stated position is basically "Google bad because censor" wants to make Google seem bad?

This was an academic channel conference that many people viewed. Perhaps not a popular channel for you but still worthy of existing.

I don’t think they’re questioning whether it’s worthy of existing, but rather why Google would choose to target this video specifically given that it has ~0 reach and the potential PR consequences of lying.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by judge2020 »

devlopr wrote: post #63
jfrunyon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"More equal"? The idea that YouTube deleted some random videos that no one has ever heard of and then lied about it, is "more equal" than the idea that an organization whose stated position is basically "Google bad because censor" wants to make Google seem bad?

This was an academic channel conference that many people viewed. Perhaps not a popular channel for you but still worthy of existing.

Sure, but in a sea of billions of views a day[0] YT isn't targeting specific channels - at this scale, there's going to be at least one moderation mistakes for every million views (and that's being generous).

0: https://blog.youtube/press/

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by cambalache »

ajnin wrote: post #46
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #38

Just a friendly reminder that corporations doesn't care about justice and your basic rights. Only money.

I don't get why this maxim is constantly touted as if it were a fundamental truth. Corporations exist in a social and legal framework that we agreed to create, and that we could change so that money would not be the sole measure of value. You might say that's the way things are right now, but if you stop there it sounds like fatalism. I'd rather say something like "let's find ways to regulate corporations so that the…

You wrote 2 paragraphs to say OP was wrong, because although things are actually like OP said they were, they could be different.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by dang »

heimatau wrote: post #39
dang wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post predictable flamewar comments to HN. We're trying for curious conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It wasn't a predictable flamewar. Maybe for you but it wasn't for me nor could you cite any observable evidence for my contribution in this. The other commenter was trying to flame, now that others seemingly piled on by needlessly flagging. I was generous and didn't engage in anything but a nudge to what I was implying/saying. Google's behavior might be 'obvious' to some but it's not obvious to everyone, hence why I…

I'm certainly not suggesting that other commenters didn't also break the site guidelines, but what you posted was unsubstantive flamebait. It's easy to underestimate (by 10x or more) how much of this one is doing—commenters are often surprised to hear how their comments have landed with others. The solution to this is not to blame other people but rather to err on the side of posting thoughtfully and substantively.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by ilaksh »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #20
ilaksh wrote: post #11

We use it basically as a public platform but it's really a private one that has deep conflicts of interest. To me this shows the need for public platforms with open systems for distribution and moderation. Some possible approaches are out there. I hope people will support them. And if they find content they don't like, study the history of political dissent and political speech, and learn about ways of improving open…

> To me this shows the need for public platforms with open systems for distribution and moderation. That's either self-contradictory, or a very interesting idea. If you want public platforms with moderation, then it's self-contradictory. Once it's moderated, it's not public (for at least some definitions of public). If you meant "open" to apply to moderation, though... that could be really interesting. Here's a platf…

Right that's basically what I was thinking.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by heimatau »

dang wrote: post #67
heimatau wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't a predictable flamewar. Maybe for you but it wasn't for me nor could you cite any observable evidence for my contribution in this. The other commenter was trying to flame, now that others seemingly piled on by needlessly flagging. I was generous and didn't engage in anything but a nudge to what I was implying/saying. Google's behavior might be 'obvious' to some but it's not obvious to everyone, hence why I…

I'm certainly not suggesting that other commenters didn't also break the site guidelines, but what you posted was unsubstantive flamebait. It's easy to underestimate (by 10x or more) how much of this one is doing—commenters are often surprised to hear how their comments have landed with others. The solution to this is not to blame other people but rather to err on the side of posting thoughtfully and substantively. h…

> but what you posted was unsubstantive flamebait

Pointing out that the morals of Google diverging from their founding motto is absolutely substantive.

As for flamebait, to someone whom has an axe to grind, everything is flamebait. Which is something I have zero control over.

> rather to err on the side of posting thoughtfully and substantively.

I did. As for beauty, it's in the eyes of the beholder. Which why I'm standing my ground on what I said. I didn't entice someone. I didn't get into ad hominem. I simply only responded once that I'm pointing out something that is clear to me (hypocrisy of Google's morals).

I already stated how Google diverged from it's original motto. One commenter felt it was unoriginal. Well, I don't live on this website. Also, where are these unproductive expectations coming from? Pointing out that someone is 'unoriginal' isn't engaging anyone to discuss something.

Since speaking plainly isn't getting through.

Let me reason by comparison.

If I'm a 5th grader and the commenter is a professional 12th grader. How is the 5th grader wrong for posting it's opinion? That is clearly substantive and thoughtful, I literally quoted Google's code of ethics page to make my case. The 12th grader should've known better.

If something has been said 100s of times on HN, guess what happens? Typically, it educates the new readers whom haven't seen that information before. Or it gets downvoted into oblivion. Nothing wrong with that and it's self policing.

I believe this type of response, to me, was misplaced and unnecessary.

Re: Academic media censorship conference censored by YouTube?

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Post by Triv888 »

motbob wrote: post #33
Jabbles wrote: post #2

Google is claiming these videos were never on YouTube? That seems... odd? And surely easy to refute, if they were public? Internet Archive would at least have scraped the channel's page. TFA links to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGPZJTVIpNe-hroLo-CQ9wQ/vid... which currently 404s... But which indeed did contain many videos... https://web.archive.org/web/20201101020416if_/https://www.yo...

Fwiw, there have been instances of Google straight up not being able to restore deleted content. When you go to delete videos, you do get warnings that deletion cannot be undone. I wouldn't be surprised if Google didn't have great records of deleted content. Maybe Google deleted this tiny channel, or maybe it was user error by Project Censored (the apparent organizers of the conference), or maybe it was a publicity s…

> I wouldn't be surprised if Google didn't have great records of deleted content.

It would surprise me if Google didn't keep everything. Harvesting data is part of their business model.

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