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Re: Me and ADHD

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Fellow ADHD person: Get diagnosed and get a low-dose of meds. It helps _a lot_. You will likely hate the feeling they give you for the first week (you will genuinely feel high even on 10mg Adderall XR), along with nightmares and night sweats but after a few weeks, you'll suddenly be productive at a very normal level. I don't feel strung out nor is it some addiction. Ignore the people screaming about Adderall being "l…

> Get diagnosed and get a low-dose of meds. It helps _a lot_. You will likely hate the feeling they give you for the first week (you will genuinely feel high even on 10mg Adderall XR), along with nightmares and night sweats but after a few weeks, you'll suddenly be productive at a very normal level.

I wonder if I could have persisted long enough with Adderall to find a theraputic effect if it had been during lockdown. 10mg of Adderall made me unsafe to drive to work (I would suddenly get the subjective sense that my car was completely still and instead all the parked cars on the side of the road were hurtling at me at 25 mph).

My doctor actually started me on a higher dose (15 or 20mg maybe?) because I needed such a high dose of Ritalin to get a theraputic effect (and at that high of a dose it greatly impacted my sleep). I took it exactly once and I didn't feel tired for 36 hours and was completely non-productive. For the first time I finally understood what all that clinical language describing the symptoms of a manic episode were all about.

Vyvanse did not feel nearly as bad subjectively, but my wife insisted I change meds because I was (in her words) "an asshole" while on it.

Finally settled in on 20-30mg of Focalin a day. The year of titrating the doses of each medication was hell. And then when we finally figured it out, my company switched insurers I had to change the pill sizes (not total quantity) to get it covered with the new insurance.

The one thing I'd like to add is that diet for me made a huge difference. I might as well not be taking the meds if I have a carb-heavy breakfast. Prior to taking the meds I had quit eating breakfast altogether because I felt like such crap around lunchtime if I ate breakfast. Obviously taking stimulants on an empty stomach is not a great idea, and my psychiatrist helped me out to go for a breakfast that doesn't provoke such a strong insulin response.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Yes, but in the long run amphetamines will do significant damage to your health.

Only if abused at high doses. I was recently diagnosed with ADD and the adderall XR is incredibly helpful, and at my 10mg dose on an “as needed” basis (since I don’t need productivity every day) I’m not concerned at all.

How long have you been taking it? The cracks will show years down the road, not initially.

Re: Me and ADHD

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Fellow ADHD person: Get diagnosed and get a low-dose of meds. It helps _a lot_. You will likely hate the feeling they give you for the first week (you will genuinely feel high even on 10mg Adderall XR), along with nightmares and night sweats but after a few weeks, you'll suddenly be productive at a very normal level. I don't feel strung out nor is it some addiction. Ignore the people screaming about Adderall being "l…

I'm still not sold on the medication and prefer to follow strict routines + good diet + exercise. To me, it's obvious who is taking ADHD pills. People are almost zombie like or they space out, or even on low-doses they almost can't "keep up" in conversation or meetings. Not being drugged and finding coping mechanisms has allowed me to plow through multiple degrees and find career success, albeit at the cost of "other…

I got diagnosed with ADHD age 15. Methylphenidate gave me these zombie like spacing out symptoms. I later switched to Amphetamine and didn't feel the negative side effects of Methylphenidate.

Methylphenidate is the only authorized substance for ADHD treatment here in Germany. I had to pay for my Amphetamine treatment by myself. I had the impression that the pharmaceutical industry doesn't have an interest in getting an authorization for amphetamines as that substance can be produced by a local pharmacy on site. Even thou I can confirm that the side effects are much less with amphetamines.

Now age 35 I haven't taken any medications for ADHD for 8 or 9 years. It was good to help me with school and university but now I don't need to put myself into a position where medication could be helpful. Still wouldn't want to work in an open floor plan office. Not sure if that is an medical condition.

Re: Me and ADHD

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> Last one -- I have no idea if this is a placebo effect. But caffeine seems to really help. Yep. As has been mentioned, in this context you're basically using it like Adderall. Unfortunately, the body will build up a tolerance quickly, so I find myself needing to use them sparingly, Adderall especially, otherwise end up feeling the withdrawal symptoms (excessive irritability, more trouble focusing than before medica…

I'll only drink coffee if I know I have a busy morning and want to power through it. I miss taking Adderall daily but the effect from coffee is almost the same. I don't drink it that often mostly because I don't want a tolerance. Drinking coffee on my less busy mornings just leads me to getting dragged into some low priority task and spending all morning on it when I could be working other things. Sometimes I'll just…

>Sometimes I'll just grab a 300mg energy drink at the store or take a couple Excedrin on an empty stomach if that's all I got.

Not suggesting medication or that you take something you shouldn't; absolutely do your own research!

Look into HVMN Sprint. Pretty long shelf-life, well-controlled dosage and focused on focus rather just ENERGY TO THE MAX.

I loved Monster back in the day but its taste makes me sick just thinking about it.

Re: Me and ADHD

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> People are almost zombie like or they space out, or even on low-doses they almost can't "keep up" in conversation or meetings. What you describe sounds more like symptoms of untreated ADHD rather than treated ADHD.

Or sleep deprivation...

People who are sleep deprived will actually have many of the symptoms of ADHD; poor subjective sense of time, difficulty focusing, &c.

Re: Me and ADHD

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if abused at high doses. I was recently diagnosed with ADD and the adderall XR is incredibly helpful, and at my 10mg dose on an “as needed” basis (since I don’t need productivity every day) I’m not concerned at all.

How long have you been taking it? The cracks will show years down the road, not initially.

Long term studies on ADHD patients do not support this hypothesis.

Re: Me and ADHD

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> caffeine does help from my testing, especially caffeine combined with L-Theanine. One thing that made me look into adderall was finding out I was a slow metabolizer of caffeine via 23andme, and was consuming an unhealthy level of caffeine. I did some research and determined that the health risks of low doses of adderall were smaller than those of high doses of caffeine. Scott Alexander’s review of the research on A…

>the health risks of low doses of adderall were smaller than those of high doses of caffeine. I hadn't seen that before, so thank you! I ran into this same thing accidentally, I was regularly 'overdosing' on caffeine by drinking 300 - 400mg of caffeine per day in college. The safe dosage is ~200mg for an adult if I recall, but I can only do about 100 - 125mg absolute max or my heart starts pounding. I am not sure if…

Yeah, without diving back into it myself right now, the health effects of caffeine are quite different depending on a single SNP. For fast metabolizers some doses of caffeine above 300mg/day can actually have net positive effects on cardiac health, while the opposite is true for slow metabolizers. I got into a habit of 400mg+ doses per day and the cumulative effect that had on sleep quality alone was a good reason to find an alternative.

I completely agree with your comments about looking for opportunities to use medication to bootstrap into better habits around exercise, mindfulness, and building better systems and habits.

Re: Me and ADHD

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post #52

Anybody else here thinks their ADHD influences some hoarding tendencies or fear-of-missing-out? I am basically a tab-opening machine. Whenever I come across any link that I feel might be helpful in some point in the future, I open it in the background knowing full well that I don't have time to look at it soon. Thank god for TheGreatSuspender, and SessionBuddy extentions.

My personal thoughts are that it's a learned behavior; you know that you won't ever remember to check out that link later (like someone without ADHD might), so you open the tab as a defense against forgetting.

Re: Me and ADHD

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post #61

Fellow ADHD person: Get diagnosed and get a low-dose of meds. It helps _a lot_. You will likely hate the feeling they give you for the first week (you will genuinely feel high even on 10mg Adderall XR), along with nightmares and night sweats but after a few weeks, you'll suddenly be productive at a very normal level. I don't feel strung out nor is it some addiction. Ignore the people screaming about Adderall being "l…

> Get diagnosed and get a low-dose of meds. It helps _a lot_. You will likely hate the feeling they give you for the first week (you will genuinely feel high even on 10mg Adderall XR), along with nightmares and night sweats but after a few weeks, you'll suddenly be productive at a very normal level. I wonder if I could have persisted long enough with Adderall to find a theraputic effect if it had been during lockdown…

> (swapping meds for a year)

Definitely feel you there. It's the worst part about psychiatric drugs and why I've bailed on almost everyone I've ever been on. It's that initial hump and having to struggle through ~two weeks of hell.

My partner has run the gamut so he constantly assured me it was normal and that I'd be fine.

>The one thing I'd like to add is that diet for me made a huge difference. I might as well not be taking the meds if I have a carb-heavy breakfast. Prior to taking the meds I had quit eating breakfast altogether because I felt like such crap around lunchtime if I ate breakfast. Obviously taking stimulants on an empty stomach is not a great idea, and my psychiatrist helped me out to go for a breakfast that doesn't provoke such a strong insulin response.

Diet is my next interest but haven't gotten tools perfected to track the variables that I think will be affected (productivity, happiness, energy and sleep).

I am vaguely on the train of diet affecting productivity but my daily lunch is a McDouble and large caffeine-free soda to sip on so... non-conclusive currently. I also skip breakfast because of the same reasons (too heavy + no good breakfast foods, even 30-in-30 always slows me down)

I have found that many 'healthy' foods make me feel sick or worsen productivity so I am tentatively sticking to my weird diet for now. I have suspicions I may have food allergies and that could be causing it.

Re: Me and ADHD

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post #5

> Minimizing menial tasks. Menial tasks really suck. I know everyone must hate doing these, but to put it into perspective, I would rather do 20 hours of really really hard work on a tough project than do 5 hours of menial tasks Interesting. I have ADHD (inattentive subtype) and am quite the opposite. My apartment is never cleaner than when I have an extremely important, open-ended project with multiple stakeholders…

For me, it is the "open-ended" part of a project that really ends up screwing me. If I don't have a definitive task/goal to work towards that is when I start to procrastinate

I struggle when there isn’t enough work to do, and when I do scrounge up work, it ends up being non-meaningful work.
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