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Re: GameStop: Anger as trading in GameStop shares is restricted

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These clowns shorted 170% of float. If that's not pure gambling teetering on market manipulation, I don't know what is.

It's mostly just one hedge fund. It would be an overgeneralization to call all hedge fund clowns...

Similar to calling all retail investors amateurs.

Re: GameStop: Anger as trading in GameStop shares is restricted

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depends on when the positions are liquidated. everyone who bought yesterday is fighting exchanges whose only option for GME is "sell" because buying is restricted. I don't know how some of these shorts will find 20 million shares by tomorrow.

> everyone who bought yesterday is fighting exchanges whose only option for GME is "sell" because buying is restricted I can’t really understand how the exchange is saying “no, you’re not allowed to buy, but you can sell all you want” is legal.

First of all, the exchanges could never impose that rule, because in order to sell you need to have someone buying. It is discount brokerages imposing the rule, and they are doing so because they saw what looked like market manipulation and are not interested in helping with that sort of thing. They could have stopped trading entirely, but that would have been worse for their customers, who would have watched their positions lose value and been helpless to do anything about it.

Re: GameStop: Anger as trading in GameStop shares is restricted

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I get this knee jerk reaction but there is something to be said about the risk analysis, sophistication, etc of said hedge funds. They’re not gambling in the same sense, but sure in some sense they are. Even having an entry level “risk model” is more sophistication than most home traders. You can’t just dismiss all that as nothing.

These clowns shorted 170% of float. If that's not pure gambling teetering on market manipulation, I don't know what is.

Bruh, lets be honest its GameStop. That company IS going the way of blockbuster. "pure gambling" is a stretch everyone can read the tea leaves here. Honestly pre-covid when was the last time you went into a GameStop and saw more than two other people.

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I get this knee jerk reaction but there is something to be said about the risk analysis, sophistication, etc of said hedge funds. They’re not gambling in the same sense, but sure in some sense they are. Even having an entry level “risk model” is more sophistication than most home traders. You can’t just dismiss all that as nothing.

Yet somehow they've been outwitted by a bunch of Redittors. Maybe you're giving them to much credit.

A handful of speculators were hurt. Now the WSB crowd is facing a large loss -- and guess who they are losing all that money to? You can bet that hedge funds with "dry powder" jumped on the opportunity to take short positions on GME as they watched the price and implied volatility balloon. All the people buying options and buying the underlying stock -- who do you think they were buying from?

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> everyone who bought yesterday is fighting exchanges whose only option for GME is "sell" because buying is restricted I can’t really understand how the exchange is saying “no, you’re not allowed to buy, but you can sell all you want” is legal.

First of all, the exchanges could never impose that rule, because in order to sell you need to have someone buying. It is discount brokerages imposing the rule, and they are doing so because they saw what looked like market manipulation and are not interested in helping with that sort of thing. They could have stopped trading entirely, but that would have been worse for their customers, who would have watched their p…

Robinhood is currently operating under Restricting the GME stock. The only option is to sell, there are no 'buy options'

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It's mostly just one hedge fund. It would be an overgeneralization to call all hedge fund clowns...

Similar to calling all retail investors amateurs.

I didn't but a large portion of retail investors are likely amateurs.

Re: GameStop: Anger as trading in GameStop shares is restricted

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I liked Ars Technica's analysis of what happened. The TL,DR is that if a company's stock is so heavily shorted, so much so that the number of "borrowed" shares exceeds the number of liquid shared available, and it is not on the verge of going bankrupt, this kind of short squeeze is possible and you can get a feedback mechanism going to make the price soar, at least in the short term.

If Wall Street wants to address this, they could put limits on the number of shares that can be shorted.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021/01/the-complete-morons-g...

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Similar to calling all retail investors amateurs.

I didn't but a large portion of retail investors are likely amateurs.

Oh I know you didn't I was just pointing out the parallel to the point being made. :) Similarly the majority of people trading options are gamblers.

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First of all, the exchanges could never impose that rule, because in order to sell you need to have someone buying. It is discount brokerages imposing the rule, and they are doing so because they saw what looked like market manipulation and are not interested in helping with that sort of thing. They could have stopped trading entirely, but that would have been worse for their customers, who would have watched their p…

Robinhood is currently operating under Restricting the GME stock. The only option is to sell, there are no 'buy options'

Who do you think those shares are being sold to? Robinhood's brokerage side is restricting trades, but their exchange (the "shadow" exchange they use to make money without charging commissions) is still allowing buy orders, or else they have effectively suspended GME on their exchange and have to route the sell orders elsewhere. Again, it is not possible for an exchange to only allow selling of a stock, because every share sold is a share someone else is buying.

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> "This isn't investing, this is gambling" Yep. Agreed. Spot-on. That's what Wall St does. If you don't like it, try and stop it. But for everyone, including the hedge funds. Treating the derivatives markets like a casino (and taxing appropriately) sounds like a great idea.

I get this knee jerk reaction but there is something to be said about the risk analysis, sophistication, etc of said hedge funds. They’re not gambling in the same sense, but sure in some sense they are. Even having an entry level “risk model” is more sophistication than most home traders. You can’t just dismiss all that as nothing.

Risk analysis and sophistication are in no way orthogonal to gambling. They are hallmarks of gambling at the highest levels. Horse handicapping among horse racing gamblers is extremely similar in every form to the stock market. Even "simple" games like poker have extraordinarily complex risk analysis schemes at the highest levels and you can listen to all sorts of stuff in the World Series of Poker broadcast commentary alone.
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