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New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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One thing I've always wondered about when it comes to new process design at smaller scale: how much actual quantum mechanics is actually needed to get the job done? And ... if the answer is, as I suspect, a lot, what kind of numerical methods and processes are used to design and simulate these tiny quantum mechanical machines? [EDIT] I mean, when taking a basic QM course, there is a lot of contorsions to try and find…

Depends on what you mean by get the job done. (Rather which job) If you are doing research into designing advanced transistors with new geometry or new materials (which is what I did my graduate research in), you would be using something like DFT (Density functional theory) for equilibrium analysis and NEGF, Huckel theory etc. for simulating current. These methods only realistically work on ~500-1000 atom systems, be…

Thank you for all these pointers, this is really cool.

In particular, I had never heard of DFT ... really intesting and first time I am exposed to what feels like real "hands-on" QM (as opposed to the very stripped down systems one learns about in introductory QM textbooks).

Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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Hacker news comment sections on articles about semiconductors always seems to be full of people talking authoritatively about things they clearly don't understand. And this is all visible to someone who only majored in computer engineering and got basic training in transistors and logic design who's day job is now in software. I can only imagine the people who actually know transistors cringing in here (and thus avoi…

I worked in an aerospace startup for seven years, and while not an expert I really know my way around some spacey stuff. People speaking authoritatively about that on HN also make me cringe, I rarely intervene because they almost always engage in a discussion about how they are right even when I send references to papers and book chapters. In Reddit it's even worse.

With law and politics I feel there's a similar attitude going around but it's of course more an up for debate topic.

Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the speed of light is a bottleneck for processors It's not the speed of light [in a vacuum], but electric signal propagation speed in copper.

An electric signal in a wire can't travel faster than the speed of light.

> An electric signal in a wire can't travel faster than the speed of light.

So? That means that the speed of light is an upper bound, but it's not a bottle neck.

Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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Hacker news comment sections on articles about semiconductors always seems to be full of people talking authoritatively about things they clearly don't understand. And this is all visible to someone who only majored in computer engineering and got basic training in transistors and logic design who's day job is now in software. I can only imagine the people who actually know transistors cringing in here (and thus avoi…

It's not just computer engineering. I'm in natural language processing and was in academia and I see a lot of mistakes and misunderstandings in the comments in those topics. Probably the only thing reliable in HN comments is website design.

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Hacker news comment sections on articles about semiconductors always seems to be full of people talking authoritatively about things they clearly don't understand. And this is all visible to someone who only majored in computer engineering and got basic training in transistors and logic design who's day job is now in software. I can only imagine the people who actually know transistors cringing in here (and thus avoi…

I agree with you (I have been following silicon fabrication news for 20 years already). I cringed when I saw people commenting on, say Intel replacing its CEO, or that RISC-V will replace ARM for design houses in the next few year, when it's clear the commentators haven't taken the time to do even a cursory research.

I don't even want to think of the comments I've seen for my main subject (cybersecurity, exploits, and vulnerabilities). I will never be able to correct all of them.

I think some humility would be nice for all of us. We know what we know and we should be aware of what we don't know. I don't know much about web programming, and I freely admit to it. I certainly don't pretend to have anything insightful to say about them.

Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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Just wanted to point out that 3nm or 2nm are nothing but the marketing terms. The physical channel length will continue to remain at around 10 nm in this decade, irrespective of the device architecture. See Fig. 1.2 of my PhD thesis: https://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/22492/1/Novel%20Approaches%2...

Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the speed of light is a bottleneck for processors It's not the speed of light [in a vacuum], but electric signal propagation speed in copper.

An electric signal in a wire can't travel faster than the speed of light.

Neither can my car.

Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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Just wanted to point out that 3nm or 2nm are nothing but the marketing terms. The physical channel length will continue to remain at around 10 nm in this decade, irrespective of the device architecture. See Fig. 1.2 of my PhD thesis: https://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/22492/1/Novel%20Approaches%2...

Why did ITRS stop publishing after 2015?

Re: New Transistor Structures At 3nm/2nm

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I think what the world needs more right now is more foundries and not smaller manufacturing processes. The global chip shortage totally sucks and it's because there's so few players and all the innovation is focused on stuff like this instead of figuring out ways to produce ICs faster and cheaper.
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