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Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college

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Post by chaorace » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:01 PM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #28

chaorace wrote: post #24

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Respectfully, this logic reminds me of the leaps commonly seen in crackpot conspiracy theories. I am highly skeptical of any supposed connection between economic equality and increased civil unrest, let alone polygamy . Critical thinking time. Is there an established link between female self-esteem and polygamy? Let's suppose there is, does polygamy actually hurt communities? Where's the evidence for that? If women a…

> I am highly skeptical of any supposed connection between economic equality and increased civil unrest, The French Revolution begs to differ.

The underlying glibness is not lost upon me, but I'll engage with your counterpoint seriously, even if that's why I'm not fun at parties.

The French revolution happened in just one country. The entire continent of Europe begs to differ. The vast majority of social reform in Europe has been remarkably peaceful, transforming monarchies into democracies, often overnight. These quiet revolutions improved the stability of their respective societies and were largely driven by an emerging middle class.

Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college

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Post by chaorace » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 2:08 PM UTC

PicassoCTs wrote: post #26

chaorace wrote: post #24

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Respectfully, this logic reminds me of the leaps commonly seen in crackpot conspiracy theories. I am highly skeptical of any supposed connection between economic equality and increased civil unrest, let alone polygamy . Critical thinking time. Is there an established link between female self-esteem and polygamy? Let's suppose there is, does polygamy actually hurt communities? Where's the evidence for that? If women a…

Actually, there are several studies of places in the world were polygamy is connected to social unrest. Sudan comes to mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Sudan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Sudanese_Civil_War Of course the "reason" is usually something else. Nobody writes 100x"InCel" on a manifesto. Religious morals, if stripped of the whole superstitious nonsense, leaves behind the "everybody gets…

That's a solid point, though, I think polygamy is acting as a barometer of social inequality in your example. I am forced to admit, if men were treated like women are in Sudan, that OP's scenario of women forcing men into harems would become reality.

Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college

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Post by unanswered » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 3:56 PM UTC

Isn't this a good thing, since it's correcting for an historical inequity?

Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college

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Post by grawprog » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

chaorace wrote: post #61

grawprog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am highly skeptical of any supposed connection between economic equality and increased civil unrest, The French Revolution begs to differ.

The underlying glibness is not lost upon me, but I'll engage with your counterpoint seriously, even if that's why I'm not fun at parties. The French revolution happened in just one country. The entire continent of Europe begs to differ. The vast majority of social reform in Europe has been remarkably peaceful, transforming monarchies into democracies, often overnight. These quiet revolutions improved the stability of…

>The vast majority of social reform in Europe has been remarkably peaceful,

The vast majority of social reform in Europe took place after a massive global conflict that left millions dead. World War 1 was a thing....then there was a bunch of violent revolutions that saw dictators put in charge of a bunch of European countries which led to yet another massive conflict that left millions dead.

Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college

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Post by chaorace » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #64

chaorace wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The underlying glibness is not lost upon me, but I'll engage with your counterpoint seriously, even if that's why I'm not fun at parties. The French revolution happened in just one country. The entire continent of Europe begs to differ. The vast majority of social reform in Europe has been remarkably peaceful, transforming monarchies into democracies, often overnight. These quiet revolutions improved the stability of…

>The vast majority of social reform in Europe has been remarkably peaceful, The vast majority of social reform in Europe took place after a massive global conflict that left millions dead. World War 1 was a thing....then there was a bunch of violent revolutions that saw dictators put in charge of a bunch of European countries which led to yet another massive conflict that left millions dead.

I think you're misattributing inter-state violence to domestic violence. At best, your argument discounts European states like Germany, who, of course, had reform imposed by outside forces. (On that note, East/West German reunification is an example in favor of my prior point)

Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college

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Post by chaorace » Fri, Jan 22, 2021, 6:14 PM UTC

DC1350 wrote: post #27

chaorace wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, this logic reminds me of the leaps commonly seen in crackpot conspiracy theories. I am highly skeptical of any supposed connection between economic equality and increased civil unrest, let alone polygamy . Critical thinking time. Is there an established link between female self-esteem and polygamy? Let's suppose there is, does polygamy actually hurt communities? Where's the evidence for that? If women a…

Economic equality means women don't need to pair up with men for utility reasons anymore, which means a lot of men will be leftovers since this has historically made up a huge chunk of all marriages. Polygamy or at least polyamory follows since sexual and emotional needs are better met by one man to many women pairings. This is very easy since online dating creates a super efficient market where most women have hundr…

This makes sense if you don't believe in the existence of undesirable women. They exist, and there are just about as many of them as there are undesirable men.

When you improve "dating market" efficiency, you're essentially reducing the overall disparity in attractiveness between any given "pair". Believe it or not, even ugly people get together. Sure, there's a lower floor, I suppose some people are simply so hideous as to be unlovable, but money would only have done so much in those cases!

Re: The pandemic is speeding up the mass exodus of men from college

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Post by tester34 » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 3:26 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #50

etempleton wrote: post #17

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Hiring is hard. Graduating from college is a clear indicator that someone was able to at least commit and follow through with something and should have at minimal basic knowledge in a given area.

Exactly. You pretty much know what you get when you hire a grad. And if it doesn't work out, you can understandably act surprised and say "I know, and he was from MIT too! If you break the mold and it works no one cares. If you break the mold and hire some guy without a degree, and it does wrong, you built your own gallows! Freakonomics referred to the Sheepskin effect: 80% of the benefits of getting a degree come fr…

>You pretty much know what you get when you hire a grad.

I don't think so, seriously, unless it was top3 school in country then I think there can be very huge gap between grads.