I've just seen the screenshots from https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/15/22232766/github-employees... You just shouldn't be speaking like that in a company Slack channel. Politics should really not be discussed at work, and especially not in a public Slack channel. It's not the right place for it. It makes me not want to work there if they are discussing politics all day in a public Slack channel
So a Jewish employee points out (factually!) that there are nazis at an armed attack on the capitol, and to be careful, and then gets fired for saying that. You call this "appalling from both sides?" I just have to laugh.
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#62I am afraid to ask this but can someone explain the "nazi joke" to me?
(edit: see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25813184 which adds some additional context. I assumed when writing this comment that the nazi healthcare joke was part of the 1/6/2020 thread & a direct response to warning about violence in DC. Apparently that post was NOT made a direct response to the thread on 1/6, but was instead made in a context where it's meant to be taken as a tounge-in-cheek criticism of naziX equivocation rather than as a basal joke... Unfortunately, I wrote this comment assuming that the joke was basal and now I can't delete this comment but there's substantial down-thread discussion already. Therefore, I am leaving my original comment, which I wrote before seeing that clarifying post, so that the down-thread discussion doesn't cause even more confusion.)
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I've interacted with people who think jokes like this are funny, even when there's no extra layer of hidden meaning or anything like that. Where the joke is literally "haha nazis gave jews healthcare haha get it because they actually killed all the jews haha". That's it. No hidden meaning, no second layer, just... a really stupid "joke"? in terrible taste.
Probably it's safe assumption that most of the people who think these sorts of jokes are funny are in fact actually genocidal or at least anti-Semitic?
I have met one person who would laugh at these sorts of "jokes" and who I sorta don't think was actually anti-Semitic. Or at least that's not all that was going on. Both because he was a practicing jew and also because he laughed at a lot of other really stupid and tasteless but not overtly bigoted "jokes". Stuff like taking pictures of his poop.
I really can't explain why he thought these sorts of jokes were funny. I'm not a psychologist so I genuinely don't know the word for what's wrong with him.
There are A LOT of people with undiagnosed psychological disorders for whom complaints about "PC police" are an entry-point to radicalization. The "spark" is being fired or socially marginalized for lacking any amount of social awareness. Through that entry point, they find people on the internet who tell them that there is nothing wrong with them and that it's all the fault of the "PC police" and "cancel culture". And then the radicalization starts.
IDK what the solution is. To be clear, people really should not be expected to work alongside others who make jokes about genocide or harass co-workers with scat pics. But also, to be just as clear, there's a very dark strand of US politics that is growing stronger, can't just be ignored anymore. That movement is making an intentional effort to radicalize people who are fired from their jobs, or fear being fired from their jobs, for their lack of social etiquette.
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#64Its a little frightening to see purportedly intelligent people running around talking about, "nazis" invading the capital. The delusional, unhinged rhetoric that has been mainstreamed is another symptom of our fraying society and the widespread mental illness that has resulted. There are numerous accurate (and pejorative) terms that can be used to describe the mob on January 6th, but they were not members of the Nati…
There were clearly neo-nazis in the audience. Here is a picture. https://www.timesofisrael.com/capitol-rioter-in-camp-auschwi...
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I want to say: I don't talk as casually as this in a work channel, though I do sometimes discuss politics and current events. That's not because I don't think it's professional, but rather because I'm jewish and what happened to this employee feels like a very present threat. It is a well-documented fact that neo-nazi hate groups were a significant presence in the riot and preceding "protest" at the capital. Stating…
> Stating that fact ultimately lead to a nazi-apologist coworker denying it Where?
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#66.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Stating that fact ultimately lead to a nazi-apologist coworker denying it Where?
From the article: >The current conflict began the day of the riots in Washington, DC when a Jewish employee told co-workers: “stay safe homies, nazis are about.” Some colleagues took offense to the language, although neo-Nazi organizations were, in fact, present at the riots. One engineer responded: “This is untasteful conduct for workplace [in my opinion], people have the right to protest period.” Ctrl-F for that to…
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Quite sad actually
Which part? It takes a lot to admit you were wrong, backstep to do the right thing, and then hold the responsible party accountable, so I'm missing the sad part.
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And for the other part, stop it. You know the two are not comparable.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
So a Jewish employee points out (factually!) that there are nazis at an armed attack on the capitol, and to be careful, and then gets fired for saying that. You call this "appalling from both sides?" I just have to laugh.
a public company Slack channel is not the right place for it