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Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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We are also entering a solar minimum, the last one was linked to a “little ice age” in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum I don’t know how climate change will affect this. But we might be in for an interesting few years.

> The Maunder Minimum occurred with a much longer period of lower-than-average European temperatures which is likely to have been primarily caused by volcanic activity.[citation needed]

There are literally two citations immediately following that sentence in the Wikipedia article.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Snow in Madrid is definitely unusual but Spain gets snow every year. "You can go to Puerto de Navacerrada for a few hours of skiing then return to Madrid to continue visiting the many attractions in Europe’s fourth-largest city." https://www.justapack.com/best-ski-resorts-in-spain-ski-reso...

But that's over a kilometer higher.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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For those accustomed to US/Imperial units, -25×9÷5+32=-13°F. Temperatures in Madrid dropped to -16°C (3°F). As others here have mentioned, these temperatures are unusually low for January in this region of Spain. They are the kinds of temperatures one would have seen in January during the "Little Ice Age" between the 15th and 19th centuries.[a][b][c] Let's hope this unusual drop in temperature is just a "one-off" rar…

It absolutely is an example of things to come - scenarios like this are caused by the weakened polar vortex that generally separates European weather from Arctic weather; the polar vortex has become weaker over the last years because of recent climate change / regional warming, and it is strongly expected to become even weaker in the coming decade(s), making weather like this more frequent.

Is this related to the polar vortex collapse discussed just the other day, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25713704

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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The headline doesn’t come across as misleading to me. I interpreted it as the temperature having been recorded somewhere in central Spain which appears to be accurate (granted my Spanish geography isn’t great). The tone also appears to be consistent with what else is being reported - that this is unusual or possibly even extreme weather. I’m assuming your expectation was different. If so I’d be be curious as to how y…

Knowing the topography of Spain helps. My interpretation is that the very, very woke BBC staff picked what seems like extreme temps from a mountain region and then technically correctly wrote that "Central Spain" "records temperatures of -25C". That is all. Do note: I'm not a climate change denier. I just hate crap like this, with a passion. I don't think we should have to abandon facts in this particular fight. It s…

That’s really interesting - thank you for replying.

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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Where's the global warming(lie)?

It's been called (anthropogenic) climate change because of insipid replies like yours. It's like my daughter saying that's she having social interaction because she's looking at tiktok, "and it's called social media."

Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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In the mountains, at about 3k feet or 1k meters elevation. Yes, the headline is quite misleading. I expect more from the BBC . From the article: > The temperature plunged to -25C (-13F) in Molina de Aragón and Teruel, in mountains east of Madrid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molina_de_Arag%C3%B3n > Elevation 1,065 m (3,494 ft) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruel > Elevation 915 m (3,002 ft)

Mentioning elevation without any context or reference to historical temperatures is not very helpful. Consider updating your comment.

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Re: Central Spain records temperatures of -25°C after snowstorm

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For those accustomed to US/Imperial units, -25×9÷5+32=-13°F. Temperatures in Madrid dropped to -16°C (3°F). As others here have mentioned, these temperatures are unusually low for January in this region of Spain. They are the kinds of temperatures one would have seen in January during the "Little Ice Age" between the 15th and 19th centuries.[a][b][c] Let's hope this unusual drop in temperature is just a "one-off" rar…

In principle snow is good. It is better than rain as it will not flow quickly away. Melting snow lets more water to sink into ground and build up water table.

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Yeah I am one of those cold blooded Canadians. Weird thing is if you look at what's going in Canadian real estate, the shitty weather is not reflected in price at all. Weather and the high cost of living in all the major Canadian cities (compared to the average tech income) were the two main reasons wife and I decided to move down South. Don't regret it for a moment.

> Weird thing is if you look at what's going in Canadian real estate, the shitty weather is not reflected in price at all. Some Chinese investor needing a safe heaven for their assets (and/or, in case some purge happens like with Jack Ma, for their family) that can't be seized at random by the CCP does not care at all about the weather, only about the country showing a spine to China. That is why the real estate mark…

Also, in terms of weather, it's all relative.

Canada can get quite cold, but Vancouver is actually relatively moderate and is borderline Mediterranean due to its west coast location. Beijing gets both much colder and much hotter on a regular basis.

Also, air quality in Vancouver is significantly better than in Beijing, which would have more impact on living conditions than just climate by itself.

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It was comical, but also sad, seeing people doing that in middle Georgia (US state, not country) a few years back when we had an unusual (for the area) cold spell with a lot of ice. Very few had scrapers and brushes for their cars to clear them so I was cleaning a lot of neighbors' cars while my own car was warming up.

Isn't pouring boiling hot water on car glass a pretty certain way to shatter them by thermal stress?!

It could, though I've never seen it happen when people tried it. It usually just refreezes and scraping (plus running the car heater) is the better option.
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