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Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Who control the controllers?

One of these days, I'm going to actually sit down and read through Juvenal's Satires[0]. I've read Plato's Republic and Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, but not any of the Roman classics. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satires_(Juvenal)

I would skip and opt for Stoics:

"Don’t want the world to work like you want it to work. Love how it actually works and you will be happy."

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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So what's stopping an abuser from generating tons of accounts and spamming their network with junk causing everyone to have to host lots of junk data?

It's a paid network. https://siasky.net/ is free for the moment, but will be switching to a freemium model in the near future. As a portal, siasky will have the ability to ratelimit and block abusers. If you "abuse" the network using your own node, you will have to pay for everything you upload and download, which means the people storing it won't really think of it as abuse, you're just another paying customer.

Thanks for the clarification

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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I agree! Ethereum is already to big and too expensive to use. I hold a lot but worry about both BTC and Ethereum. Normal people can no longer use either chain for everyday transactions and at this rate Ethereum will never work as a global computer. To me only Bitcoin Cash and Monero really have their use cases and code sussed out. Sia (and filecoin) work great but both have issues with their insentives, in Sia's case…

Hmmm I would backtrack on saying bitcoin cash.. Bitcoin lightning works, is in production and has real usage

Theres more bitcoin on ethereum than on lightning.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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So what's stopping an abuser from generating tons of accounts and spamming their network with junk causing everyone to have to host lots of junk data?

Cost. If this abuser was running his own Portal node to do so, he would simply be paying hosts to host his junk data. Hosts would be very happy to do so, as they set their own prices.

If this abuser was trying to use a public Skynet portal, the same abuse prevention measures apply as for any other data storage service out there. IP banning, filtering, etc

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

#65
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If you are using Skynet for your project, I believe you need to run a node, which will require downloading the 23GB [1] blockchain from sia. I really hope these blockchain based projects can solve the sharding problem. These blockchains are getting so big. [1] https://siastats.info/blockchain_size

I agree! Ethereum is already to big and too expensive to use. I hold a lot but worry about both BTC and Ethereum. Normal people can no longer use either chain for everyday transactions and at this rate Ethereum will never work as a global computer. To me only Bitcoin Cash and Monero really have their use cases and code sussed out. Sia (and filecoin) work great but both have issues with their insentives, in Sia's case…

You claim Sia issues too many coins. That is a myth. Inflation in 2021 will be no higher than 7%, declining every year after that. In case you are referring to the total supply, would it make you feel better to move the decimal to the left? Hosts have been saving and serving content since the launch of the Sia network years ago. It is profitable if done at scale. For more information, https://siastats.info/storage_pricing

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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I'm asking in earnest but since I'm not very savvy when it comes to blockchain and decentralised internet, can this be used for piracy (movies mp3 etc)? What about really nefarious stuff like CP? Do we know who is responsible and is it possible to report and take down links? Also does running a node involve you in anything unknowingly? Or does it have nothing to do with anonymity/bullet-proof links and is merely just…

Although this is a very fair question, I cannot help but notice that the first thing people associate with the word freedom today is with a negative angle. This is really troubling me, as it used to be a more cherished value.

True, unlimited freedom in this sense inevitably means the ethically very worst use cases, because this is the limit of freedom in any society: Material that is illegal and will have the authorities use all reasonable efforts to stop its spread. Whether that's political discussion or CP depends on the society.

If I had asked this question, it would be to gauge how far along the freedom spectrum this service has been designed to operate. There are distribution systems that are capable of even evading the most capable authorities, but their user experience is absolutely horrible.

Any system like this will strike a balance, maybe also designing provisions for removing "material that is really bad". Either out of an ethical obligation, or in order to not risk being shut down wholesale.

A system that was truly free and unlimited, would be the tool of an anarchist. Few people wish the implication of such a technology.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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Yes, particularly after observing how poorly society is adapting to pervasive social media. 3-4 years ago, I was nearly a free speech maximalist. I hope we figure out a way to properly educate middle school and high school students about cognitive biases, logical fallacies, statistical fallacies, and other tools needed to properly deal with social media. Right now, society is just adjusting very poorly to the advent…

I wish more schools taught us the tools to deal with social media. At my school we're just given stale advice about cyberbullying and about posting things we'd regret. People don't even question the legitimacy of things often or think critically about it. It's as if their critical thinking is numbed. I don't know how else to put it, but it's rather interesting.

The Internet is like we've suddenly invented sugar, alcohol or firearms, without any of the societal tools to limit its damage. Laws, norms, defense forces, taboos.

It's really something straight out of singularity-related philosophy. A technology with massive benefits and dangers that's rolled out worldwide in only a couple of decades. If you look at social media as a whole, let's say it was in effect a single decade.

I'm sure we'll get a handle on social media eventually, with some damage along the way. But the underlying driver, fast technological change, won't disappear. This is not the last time we'll get into similar trouble.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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If you are using Skynet for your project, I believe you need to run a node, which will require downloading the 23GB [1] blockchain from sia. I really hope these blockchain based projects can solve the sharding problem. These blockchains are getting so big. [1] https://siastats.info/blockchain_size

This is incorrect. You don't need to run a Sia node to develop and deploy apps on Skynet. https://sia.tech/docs/#skynet

The REST API you linked to requires a local node:

    curl -A "Sia-Agent" "localhost:9980/skynet/portals"

As I understand, there's also a public proxy https://siasky.net/. But being a single domain, it's not decentralized, is it?

So with Skynet, you can either do "easy" or "decentralized", but not "easy and decentralized", right?

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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This is incorrect. You don't need to run a Sia node to develop and deploy apps on Skynet. https://sia.tech/docs/#skynet

The REST API you linked to requires a local node: curl -A "Sia-Agent" "localhost:9980/skynet/portals" As I understand, there's also a public proxy https://siasky.net/ . But being a single domain, it's not decentralized, is it? So with Skynet, you can either do "easy" or "decentralized", but not "easy and decentralized", right?

That's fine, you can switch if necessary. Like a backup, you don't need decentralization 99.9% of the time, but the 0.1% of time when you need it, it can save your ass.

Re: Skynet – Build a Free Internet

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I'm asking in earnest but since I'm not very savvy when it comes to blockchain and decentralised internet, can this be used for piracy (movies mp3 etc)? What about really nefarious stuff like CP? Do we know who is responsible and is it possible to report and take down links? Also does running a node involve you in anything unknowingly? Or does it have nothing to do with anonymity/bullet-proof links and is merely just…

Skynet can be used for any sort of data. Public facing portals and hosts serving unencrypted data are of course responsible for the content they serve. People can upload content in two ways: either by using a public facing portal such as siasky.net or by spinning up their own portal client (Sia node) and communicating with hosts directly via the distributed network. It is possible for individual portals and hosts to…

> It is possible for individual portals and hosts to take down links and stop serving that content, for example after accepting copyright infringement requests.

I think this needs to be solved at the protocol level. What if the portal is hosted in a DGAF jurisdiction, but I'm running my node in a different jurisdiction? What forces the portal to keep my interest in mind?

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