Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler • Hacker News Board

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by mmastrac » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:23 AM UTC

Anyone who thinks this is a line too far really needs to start reading these sites before they get deplatformed. There are constant, intense calls for violence (in Minecraft), photoshopped porn of Hunter Biden and just a regular stream of dog whistles and keywords that cannot be interpreted any other way.

There is no loss here. The right has collectively lost its mind and these sites are pure sewer.

On top of this, the sites are ironically so anti-left that you are banned instantly if you even tried to discuss something in good faith. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so terrible.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:23 AM UTC

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #32

It's very surreal watching this happen. CloudFlare will be next, and they've already set the precedent that they will cease to serve websites that are "detrimental to society". Followed by Digital Ocean, Amazon, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T. For those of you who championed XKCD #1357 at every opportunity, congratulations! You've won. For a short time. The consequences of censorship will be dire. I'm no fan of Sagan, but he…

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Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by bebopcowboy » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #7

I'm not a huge fan of Parler, but hopefully this move pushes the government to force Apple to allow alternate App stores and/or side loading. People should be able to run Parler on their phone if they want to, with full API access, not the half-measures that having a web app allow.

Why would the government care? They’re only silencing democrat opposition. They won’t do anything

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by ctdonath » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

Problem is: what constitutes acceptable moderation?

Much of the “cancelling” going on now is strained deliberate misinterpretation of intentions/statements of opponents, a power play for a political purge.

Problem is: how to specify what moderation is acceptable for Apple et al, without making it abundantly clear how biased/bigoted/unfair the demands are?

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by bhawks » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #32

It's very surreal watching this happen. CloudFlare will be next, and they've already set the precedent that they will cease to serve websites that are "detrimental to society". Followed by Digital Ocean, Amazon, Verizon, Comcast, AT&T. For those of you who championed XKCD #1357 at every opportunity, congratulations! You've won. For a short time. The consequences of censorship will be dire. I'm no fan of Sagan, but he…

I often see the meme that modern technology has made free speech too dangerous.

I wonder how has modern technology made censorship safer?

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by jug » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #7

I'm not a huge fan of Parler, but hopefully this move pushes the government to force Apple to allow alternate App stores and/or side loading. People should be able to run Parler on their phone if they want to, with full API access, not the half-measures that having a web app allow.

I think the web is already the corporate-agnostic way to do apps in. If they lack some device features I think this is a technical limitation and a different topic. Things have got so much better in that regard already in just the last 5-10 years.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by reducesuffering » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

beebmam wrote: post #26

The only actual alternative is if people start investing in open cellular platforms. I fully support the right of companies to sell locked down hardware, we shouldn't be trying to over-regulate here. The right response to this situation is to compete with it using open hardware, which respects its users. It's insane to me that we have all tolerated companies dictating what kind of software we run on the hardware we b…

Already exists https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by userbinator » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #7

I'm not a huge fan of Parler, but hopefully this move pushes the government to force Apple to allow alternate App stores and/or side loading. People should be able to run Parler on their phone if they want to, with full API access, not the half-measures that having a web app allow.

The government, who will soon be lead by someone of the exact opposite political leaning to the crowd on Parler?

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by zug_zug » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

jpxw wrote: post #23

Regardless of your political persuasion, you should be concerned about this. Massive multinational corporations having this much power over our speech is not healthy. If they can do this to a sitting President of the US, they can do it to every single one of us.

It's hard to read any of these arguments in good-faith.

A single person has enough power to incite a mob that threatens the life of our government officials. That seems like "too much power" to me. A mob consisting of .001% of the US population threatening our cabinet seems like "too much power" to me.

Until we have a better way to figure out what causes that sort of conspiracy-theory mania, deplatforming is a million times better than insurrection.

Re: Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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Post by frEdmbx » Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

Everything we're witnessing is a result of the slavers prepping for the collapse of the world reserve fiat global enslavement system, and their attempts to maintain dominion throughout. The permissionless, decentralized, alternatives, aren't part of the same freefall as all the perpetually inflated fiat currencies, and are problem for them. https://fiatmarketcap.com/

They must convince us to accept the violations of speech, press, privacy, property, and arms, in order to deal with cryptocurrencies. If we're able to communicate, we're able to use cryptocurrencies. This is why we're being inundated with endless pretenses.. so that we'll be cowards willing to exchange essential liberties for the illusion of security.