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Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by freeone3000 »

notriddle wrote: post #54
incrudible wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". Trumpers will forever believe that the election was stolen, but they can believe that from the comfort of their homes, they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it. If any tech company were to try to suppress the "facts" that support the "rigged election" narrative, that would only reinforce the their beliefs.

> they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it Yeah, they do. The election is what defines the legitimate government; if it really had been falsified[1], then anyone who participated in the falsification would be a usurper, and the government instated by the falsified election would be fake. If something like this actually happened, then it would hardly be insane to consider it your…

Being a notorious liar actually does excuse you from libel. From Tucker Carlson to Elon Musk, the defense is that nobody reasonable would take them seriously.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by mattnewton »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #3

Was Twitch something Trump really used? Can't recall ever hearing about anything he said via Twitch.

Probably preemptive, after YouTube removed a video of his and Facebook / Twitter deplatformed him entirely twitch is the next biggest somewhat-mainstream platform he could use to share that video or others.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by Gibbon1 »

giarc wrote: post #30
psyc wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s what you get when you elect a tabloid celebrity billionaire to the most important office in the world. I’ve been mostly disappointed with our selection of candidates for a long time, but I never thought I’d see that. It’s as if nobody outstanding even wants the job. Literally Idiocracy.

>It’s as if nobody outstanding even wants the job. I think the issue in 2016 was too many people wanted the job. You can agree/disagree whether the primary field included 'outstanding' people, but the sheer number of candidates allowed the loud mouth to stand out.

In 2015 Jeb Bush used the massive amounts of cash he had on hand to corner all the Republican campaign operatives. Democrats spent the years between 2008 and 2016 making sure there wasn't going to be a repeat of 2008 where Obama got the nomination instead of Clinton.

You can think of election cycles as a series of games of rock paper scissors. Not uncommon for the winner of the primary to be a guy that can't win in general. Scissors beats paper in the primary. Goes up against rock in the general and loses.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by alistairSH »

marcusverus wrote: post #45
giarc wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It’s as if nobody outstanding even wants the job. I think the issue in 2016 was too many people wanted the job. You can agree/disagree whether the primary field included 'outstanding' people, but the sheer number of candidates allowed the loud mouth to stand out.

You're right. The unspoken tragedy is that a large number of candidates should be a good thing. Any primary system that can't endure a significant number of candidates is the wrong system. Both parties have broken primary systems that need to be thrown out and re-made for the modern era.

Exactly. The primary system we have in place is an abomination - it's tailor-made to elect lunactics.

Some sort of approval voting or instant-runoff would probably provide better outcomes.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by zaroth »

dmitriid wrote: post #32
barbacoa wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People spent years de-legitimatizing the 2016 election by claiming that Trump colluded with the Russian government. There were even stories published by mainstream media outlets that Russians hack election machines. The other side undermining the election results after they lost is not exactly new.

Hillary Clinton conceded she lost the very next day. There was an orderly transition process from Obama to Trump that started on the second day after the election. Compare that "undermining" to what the GOP and Trump are doing.

Hardy ordinary though, for the FBI to orchestrate false charges and spy on the incoming administration with fraudulent FISA warrants.

They are both very wrong, in different ways.

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Post by incrudible »

notriddle wrote: post #54
incrudible wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". Trumpers will forever believe that the election was stolen, but they can believe that from the comfort of their homes, they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it. If any tech company were to try to suppress the "facts" that support the "rigged election" narrative, that would only reinforce the their beliefs.

> they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it Yeah, they do. The election is what defines the legitimate government; if it really had been falsified[1], then anyone who participated in the falsification would be a usurper, and the government instated by the falsified election would be fake. If something like this actually happened, then it would hardly be insane to consider it your…

I disagree. The constitution says that state electors elect the president, not the people. They did just that. The election is now legally binding, whether there was widespread fraud or not.

Yesterday, Trump still had an unlikely but legal way to prevent Biden from becoming president. Today he does not, so it makes no sense to push any further.

Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by [deleted] »

psyc wrote: post #27
you_are_naive wrote: post #21

Am I the only one who finds the whole situation bizarre? Edit: I will be more blunt since some replies show they don't understand what I find weird: Why do you need a private social media company to stop your president from planting terrorism in your own country because he thinks the election is fake instead of congress/government/whatever??!

That’s what you get when you elect a tabloid celebrity billionaire to the most important office in the world. I’ve been mostly disappointed with our selection of candidates for a long time, but I never thought I’d see that. It’s as if nobody outstanding even wants the job. Literally Idiocracy.

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Re: Twitch disables Trump’s account indefinitely

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Post by craftinator »

incrudible wrote: post #22
belltaco wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He says the facts bear out his assertion that the election was stolen... how is that calming?

The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power". Trumpers will forever believe that the election was stolen, but they can believe that from the comfort of their homes, they don't need to go out and attempt to overthrow the government because of it. If any tech company were to try to suppress the "facts" that support the "rigged election" narrative, that would only reinforce the their beliefs.

> The part that says there's "an orderly transition of power".

This has been Trump, forever. He strings together contradictions in every sentence he can, and when he can't, he makes sure to contradict or make a random topic change within the next sentence.

Why does he do this? It's a rhetorical trick. That means every time he speaks, most people find something in it that they want to hear. He makes sure not to say anything specific unless it's obvious that he's embellishing it; then if you don't like what he says, it sounds like it was a joke or off the cuff. This has been his whole platform. Say so many things, with so many interpretations, with so little factual basis, that most people can find something they like, and almost no one can pin him down for saying something awful. You just expect him to be grandiose and full of shit, and he is, so it's hard to be upset, as long as you find him charismatic.

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