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Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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Probably this one, over four hundred years ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company

If Amazon turns out to be similar to Dutch East India Company, we are looking at Amazon growing 200 years old with dozens of settlements and colonies all over the world.

Re>> "all over the world"

You're forgetting about Blue Origin. Their website has a picture of a rocket standing on the moon that literally says "This Time To Stay"

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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This reminds me of when Ryanair bought 100 Boeing 737-800 aircraft in 2002 after 9/11 hammered the airline industry[0], a very bold forward looking move. It was good for Ryanair and for Boeing. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2002/jan/24/theairlinei...

Right now Ryanair has almost 200 737-800MAX on order, significant amount of these were added during MAX grounding as the prices went down a lot. Bold looking move again, but still shitiest airliner out there

> still shitiest airliner out there

Yet Ryanair is rated as a seven-star airline for safety; it has a fatality-free record since it was started.

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/ryanair-soars-seven-star...

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I remember watching a video from Wendover Production talking about the decline of 747 and A380s mainly due to a lack of guaranteed passengers to fill the plane routes in both directions. Exceptions being some airlines which are able to operate hub and spoke models and where fuel is cheap like the middle east airlines. Wouldn't these types of planes be more suitable for a role in logistics which can benefit the greate…

I wonder, is there such a thing as a plane that carries both cargo (in a significant way) and passengers? Not sure if it would make any economic sense, but maybe it could if the layout could be changed rapidly, with a passenger cabin "slotted in" when needed.

You are thinking of "combi" aircraft. In North America, you see a lot of them operating in Northern Canada and Alaska.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combi_aircraft

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Right now Ryanair has almost 200 737-800MAX on order, significant amount of these were added during MAX grounding as the prices went down a lot. Bold looking move again, but still shitiest airliner out there

I am still waiting for refunds from Ryanair for cancelled flights in March.

You should probably either take them to whatever your local equivalent of small claims court is, or use one of the "we enforce your rights but take 30%" portals.

Re: Amazon buys 11 Boeing 767s to expand its cargo fleet

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This reminds me of when Ryanair bought 100 Boeing 737-800 aircraft in 2002 after 9/11 hammered the airline industry[0], a very bold forward looking move. It was good for Ryanair and for Boeing. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2002/jan/24/theairlinei...

Boeing isn't really gaining much from this. The 767s Amazon is acquiring are ex-Westjet (previously Qantas) and Delta passenger aircraft, and likely last saw a Boeing factory somewhere around 15-25 years ago.

That said, Alaska just put in another order for MAXes, and Ryanair is buying more as well. Part of why these 767s were available for Amazon to purchase at all were due to the industry model shifting and airlines favoring single-aisle, fuel-efficient aircraft like the MAX. COVID-19 has only accelerated that, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more MAX orders unless it crashes again or Airbus ramps up their 320neo production.

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Right now Ryanair has almost 200 737-800MAX on order, significant amount of these were added during MAX grounding as the prices went down a lot. Bold looking move again, but still shitiest airliner out there

I am still waiting for refunds from Ryanair for cancelled flights in March.

If it’s any help, I eventually got mine. Just followed their online process. I’m in Canada. Didn’t get my refund from Air Transat (only a credit) and as long as the Canadian government allows this, I’ll probably be waiting at least another year to use the credit.

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You're probably overlooking the Amazon distribution center that isn't far away.

I live in a small ruralish area (it's not uncommon for my neighbors to have horses and cows, backyard chickens are a dime a dozen) and at least 50 miles from the nearest amazon distribution center. Our "neighborhood" is 14 homes on 1 1/2 streets. A few years ago, the amazon sprinter van started making some some deliveries but fedex was more likely. Today not only does amazon exclusively deliver all their orders here,…

I heard on NPR that Amazon logistics delivers to a super remote Canadian town that event the post office has trouble delivering to.

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Right now Ryanair has almost 200 737-800MAX on order, significant amount of these were added during MAX grounding as the prices went down a lot. Bold looking move again, but still shitiest airliner out there

> still shitiest airliner out there Yet Ryanair is rated as a seven-star airline for safety; it has a fatality-free record since it was started. https://www.airlineratings.com/news/ryanair-soars-seven-star...

The shitiest airline is measured on many axes. Preventable injuries are certainly one axis (hello ValuJet), but scoring well on that doesn't mean it's a good experience.
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