USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment • Hacker News Board

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by mschuster91 » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:52 AM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #33

vidarh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an awful ruling overall, from what I can tell from skimming it. It's great Assange won, but this ruling is not at all support for freedom of expression. This is the one part the judge agreed with the defense on as far as I can tell: > 363. I find that the mental condition of Mr. Assange is such that it would be oppressive to extradite him to the United States of America. For anyone not suffering from severe ment…

I really don't get it why the UK is even allowed to extradite a citizen of Australia to the US. Shame on Australia too for not protecting it's citizens.

Because Julian Assange was on UK territory, not Australian.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by rvz » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:53 AM UTC

gadders wrote: post #27

ramijames wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm genuinely concerned. What is wrong with you?

Nice ad-hominem attack. Good skills. Wikileaks leaks about the Democrat Party corruption prior to the 2016 election certainly hurt her. And there are unconfirmed reports she joked about hitting him with a drone. https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/hillary-clinton-drone-s...

If true, it already sounds like 'exposing the truth' really does hurt some people so badly that they would take pleasure in jokingly drone-striking them at full force to shut them up; if they could.

An insult to injury I guess.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by mrkramer » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:54 AM UTC

How will this affect US and UK relations? They are brother/sister countries. Snowden and Assange are 2 Americans most wanted, US would do anything to get them.

Btw I'm not in favor of US Gov. spying but what Snowden and Assange did (leak state secrets) is criminal and they need to face justice.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by jules-jules » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:55 AM UTC

tt433 wrote: post #56

howlgarnish wrote: post #48

Quite unexpected! Like many HNers who followed Craig Murray's reporting of the trial (see below), I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet and the extradition to the US was preordained. Will be interesting to see his take on this. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...

Given the apartment disconnect between the reality Murray describes in his reports and the reality we can observe today, do you think you'll read his content with a higher degree of skepticism in the future? His headlines are all calibrated for maximum outrage, that alone turns me off from reading them. Edit to eat crow: only one article has a sensational headline

Mind drawing out these differences for the rest of us?

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by TeMPOraL » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:55 AM UTC

Erikun wrote: post #8

the-dude wrote: post #2

TLDR; No extradiction.

TLDR+; No extradition due to Assange's mental health.

TLDR++: No extradition because Assange's mental health makes him a suicide risk in the conditions of US prisons.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by agd » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:55 AM UTC

tt433 wrote: post #56

howlgarnish wrote: post #48

Quite unexpected! Like many HNers who followed Craig Murray's reporting of the trial (see below), I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet and the extradition to the US was preordained. Will be interesting to see his take on this. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...

Given the apartment disconnect between the reality Murray describes in his reports and the reality we can observe today, do you think you'll read his content with a higher degree of skepticism in the future? His headlines are all calibrated for maximum outrage, that alone turns me off from reading them. Edit to eat crow: only one article has a sensational headline

Not really. If you read his coverage it does mostly accord with the final judgement. I.e. the judge rejected all defence claims on whether the extradition request was proper.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by NietTim » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:55 AM UTC

Triv888 wrote: post #53

"This tweet is not available to you" error is still happening to this day. (a reload was required)

Weird, both load for me

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by raverbashing » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:56 AM UTC

gadders wrote: post #9

tedeh wrote: post #5

So is Julian Assange going to be released now or what?

"Mr Assange was jailed for 50 weeks in May 2019 for breaching his bail conditions after going into hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy in London." Given that the US Government is appealing and he has a record of skipping bail, I'd guess no. I suppose they might possibly let him out with an ankle bracelet, but no idea for sure.

So, didn't the 50wks go by already (or due to other factors) or he remains in custody due to the extradition proceedings?

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by frereubu » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:56 AM UTC

raxxorrax wrote: post #55

Closi wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be able to argue that Assange crossed the line between "journalism" and "hacking", for example when he attempted to assist with cracking a hash. The UK has other history about journalists hacking (see the phone hacking scandal). It's one thing to receive the contents of a hack, and quite another to offer active assistance to exploit systems.

How scandalous, he hacked someone... Of course that is far worse than killing hundreds of thousands of people in the middle east which he put the finger on. Hacking and computer sabotage.... really? You call that justice? It is not and the UK jurisdiction remains a joke. A posh joke, but a joke nonetheless. Please... as if there would have been alternative to leaking hunan rights violations.

> Of course that is far worse than killing hundreds of thousands of people in the middle east which he put the finger on.

> as if there would have been alternative to leaking hunan rights violations.

The comment you're responding to did not make either of these claims.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by matthewmacleod » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:57 AM UTC

tt433 wrote: post #56

howlgarnish wrote: post #48

Quite unexpected! Like many HNers who followed Craig Murray's reporting of the trial (see below), I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet and the extradition to the US was preordained. Will be interesting to see his take on this. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...

Given the apartment disconnect between the reality Murray describes in his reports and the reality we can observe today, do you think you'll read his content with a higher degree of skepticism in the future? His headlines are all calibrated for maximum outrage, that alone turns me off from reading them. Edit to eat crow: only one article has a sensational headline

Honestly, his articles where so overwhelmingly obviously biased and lacking any sense of journalism that it was actually painful to watch the number of people on this very site enthusiastically promote him as some kind of truth-seeking hero.

It's valid to oppose the Assange extradition, be concerned about the impact on free speech, and any number of other things; Murray is not a reliable narrator on any of these issues, so if you do want to examine his content remember to do so with an extremely heavy dose of skepticism.