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An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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Only if you play some jedi mind tricks of your own with the definition of a "computer".

You don't need to change the statement much to make it unequivocally true: just change "computers" to "desktop computers".

Which are nowhere near the most common type of computer, so it's a fairly significant change.

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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When he started Microsoft had the most popular OS, web browser and mobile OS. A decade later they lost all three and their market cap barely moved.

I'm pretty sure Windows at no point lost its thrive as most popular non-mobile OS

Sure but the market moved to mobile. If you cherry pick data of course you can pretend to be right.

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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I’ve had coworkers who were on the original Xbox team and they told me that the OS was not Windows. One of the things about the Xbox OS is that the OS itself gets a fixed timeslice each frame to do whatever it needs while the game is running, in order to make it so the game can get the rest of the frame to run. This sounds to me like a decision that has far-reaching consequences. I’m sure that it shares plenty code w…

By that standard, is a Hyper-V server running Windows? AFAIK, that's also just running NT as a guest.

I too remember the "Xbox kernel is not Windows" narratives in 2000s-2010s. Clearly Microsoft then considered it "not Windows", IIRC especially on Xbox 360. It's not that a VMM that reside parallel to the Xbox kernel makes it not Windows or not. Sometimes they said it's "built with technologies from Windows" or sometimes it was "built specifically for Xbox" but they maintained it's not Windows.

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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I'm pretty sure Windows at no point lost its thrive as most popular non-mobile OS

Sure but the market moved to mobile. If you cherry pick data of course you can pretend to be right.

The market did not moved to mobile. Mobile is alongside desktop. People like diversity and mobile offered another one. And people who have only mobile in their homes are poor that can't afford desktop but I see mobile as a gateway drug to desktop. Once people will have enough money, will also buy desktop exactly because mobile hooked them in the first place.

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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Sure but the market moved to mobile. If you cherry pick data of course you can pretend to be right.

The market did not moved to mobile. Mobile is alongside desktop. People like diversity and mobile offered another one. And people who have only mobile in their homes are poor that can't afford desktop but I see mobile as a gateway drug to desktop. Once people will have enough money, will also buy desktop exactly because mobile hooked them in the first place.

The numbers to this point disagree, and I don't think you'll find a lot of support for your prediction of a change in direction.

https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/mobile-desktop-internet...

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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Sure but the market moved to mobile. If you cherry pick data of course you can pretend to be right.

The market did not moved to mobile. Mobile is alongside desktop. People like diversity and mobile offered another one. And people who have only mobile in their homes are poor that can't afford desktop but I see mobile as a gateway drug to desktop. Once people will have enough money, will also buy desktop exactly because mobile hooked them in the first place.

1) Yes mobile moved the market by capturing hundreds of millions of people who would never have owned a computer otherwise, and Microsoft failed to react to this.

2) Do you have any data to back up the claim that mobile usage leads to desktop purchases? I have never heard such a claim before

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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It's funny how brilliant people like Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer were so intentionally stupid, because they were blinded by their own religion of "Everything Windows". It really makes you think how many others are blinded by this type of religious, dogmatic thought pattern. I'm sure there are many that we just don't hear about, including Zuckerberg, Pinchai, Musk, etc.

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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when Ballmer took over MS was right after the anti-trust fiasco. There was a time when people were not sure if the software giant was going to survive. They did under Ballmer. From a sales pov, the company also grew and prospered. Microsoft had phenomenal growth while under Ballmer. It's easy to remember all the things he botched (hello iphone?) but if you look at it objectively I think Ms did survive and prospered u…

> It's easy to remember all the things he botched (hello iphone?) but if you look at it objectively I think Ms did survive and prospered under Ballmer. If you look at it objectively you include all the things he botched, which are "easy to remember" according to you. At best, he was meh. In my personal opinion he was horrible - I think a random employee likely would have done better.

I’m going to respectfully disagree. He did contribute to MS before he became CEO. And invested in a lot of things where the fruits are harvested to this day.

Re: An internal team 'hoodwinked' Bill Gates into launching the Xbox project

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He botched Microsoft pretty bad.. windows 8 was his hallmark project no? And the beginning of surface was not that good. Once Satya took over Microsoft became a powerhouse again with their cloud/office integration + focus on azure.

Computers have been going back and forth between desktop and central servers for 40 years. When people tire of the cloud and shift back to local control, microsoft will no longer have an advantage over alternatives.

I can’t tell if this is a manufactured pattern, or if it’s true and I’m missing something because I haven’t been alive long enough.

From what I can tell, once upon a time we had mainframes and server rooms and big expensive computers, and there was no personal computing.

Then, we got personal computing and had very limited consumer connection to centralized servers on them. A lot of people barely had internet.

Then, we connected personal computing to centralized servers and many products were born.

Now, we have platforms built for creating centralized services because managing your own hardware was not necessary.

Where is the pattern there? It seems like you’re extrapolating a wave pattern from what could be a single datapoint. We got this, we got that, we connected them, now we’re here. Where is the back-and-forth you implied?

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