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Re: Slower News

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Post by chasely » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 5:24 PM UTC

jonnycomputer wrote: post #47

timwaagh wrote: post #18

I feel the name is a misnomer. These articles are opinion and analysis. News is different. Slow news would not be very interesting, either.

Actually, I've been interested in reviving something that might be called slow news. Its more like the weekly news digest. Lots of times first reports are inaccurate, or woefully incomplete, and the corrections never get noticed; also, sometimes we need to slow down to cogitate on the news instead of just reacting to it.

The best news for me would be a service that would be okay with reporting "there was no important news", but that is not how the industry works. I'd be willing to pay for that if when news did happen, the reporting/analysis was exceptional.

Not sure where I read this idea first, may have been Taleb, but it's something I've seen pop up as wanted in this hyperactive news environment.

Re: Slower News

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Post by throwawaylolx » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #16

jpxw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as one arbitrary example, perhaps look into Roger Scruton. His work on architecture is a good introduction, for example Why Beauty Matters: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc . Like most good conservative thinkers, he’s no longer with us. I recommend him because he’s not overtly political. The best conservative thinkers stay out of the boring political quarrelling, IMO.

.. do you have any examples that are still alive? "Welcome to conservativism, all our best thinkers are dead" isn't a great pitch.

All the best left-wing thinkers are also dead.

Re: Slower News

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Post by agakshat » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 5:33 PM UTC

briefcomment wrote: post #38

timwaagh wrote: post #18

I feel the name is a misnomer. These articles are opinion and analysis. News is different. Slow news would not be very interesting, either.

I’d like the opposite. A twitter feed with just facts, (or allegations with timely follow ups) relevant to a specific topic. The hard part is getting one entity to report this with no bias. Maybe this is a job for bots + AI.

I think the Reuters news website [0] comes close to this ideal. Generally neutral reporting of facts with few, if any, embellishments. [0] https://mobile.reuters.com/

Re: Slower News

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Post by vuciv1 » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 5:40 PM UTC

ah damn. I've been working on a project that is supposed to emulate getting The Sunday Paper.

Only updated on Sundays with the top headlines of the week. No annoying pings, no data collection, etc.

I was demotivated when I scrolled through this, but luckily I still feel as though mine is different enough.

Re: Slower News

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Post by Taikonerd » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 5:57 PM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #16

jpxw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as one arbitrary example, perhaps look into Roger Scruton. His work on architecture is a good introduction, for example Why Beauty Matters: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc . Like most good conservative thinkers, he’s no longer with us. I recommend him because he’s not overtly political. The best conservative thinkers stay out of the boring political quarrelling, IMO.

.. do you have any examples that are still alive? "Welcome to conservativism, all our best thinkers are dead" isn't a great pitch.

I'd recommend Ross Douthat, currently with the NYT, and Andrew Sullivan, on Substack.

Re: Slower News

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Post by xixixao » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 5:58 PM UTC

vuciv1 wrote: post #64

ah damn. I've been working on a project that is supposed to emulate getting The Sunday Paper. Only updated on Sundays with the top headlines of the week. No annoying pings, no data collection, etc. I was demotivated when I scrolled through this, but luckily I still feel as though mine is different enough.

It’s encouraging that others have been contemplating this idea - I have been too.

For me the key is that content can come every day, but it is delayed based on it’s importance. So instead of Sunday news printing something that happened Saturday, this model prints about the Saturday event two weeks later on a Tuesday when all the facts are known. But it doesn’t have to be every day.

The hard part is that I don’t just want this for myself, I want this for everyone that is currently captured by the toxic 24/7 9/11-style news cycle. The society is in a permanent panic/outrage mode. Breaking that will be tough.

Re: Slower News

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Post by kickscondor » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

divan wrote: post #27

I use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events for keeping track of what's going on in the world without being inundated into short-term reactions, clickbait and hype.

A minimalist version of that: https://legiblenews.com

Re: Slower News

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Post by skybrian » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

timwaagh wrote: post #18

I feel the name is a misnomer. These articles are opinion and analysis. News is different. Slow news would not be very interesting, either.

Slower news should be a bit more like writing history. You probably already remember the top-level facts for the stuff that made headlines for a few days, but what about specialized fields?

I’d be happy to read a well-written yearly summary of the most important news in neuroscience, for example.

Re: Slower News

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Post by maskil » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 6:03 PM UTC

jpxw wrote: post #15

mckirk wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give some examples of actually 'worthwhile' right-wing/conservative perspectives? I'm genuinely curious, because it's quite hard to tell whether these views get suppressed in my filter bubble, or if there just aren't many worth examining.

Just as one arbitrary example, perhaps look into Roger Scruton. His work on architecture is a good introduction, for example Why Beauty Matters: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc . Like most good conservative thinkers, he’s no longer with us. I recommend him because he’s not overtly political. The best conservative thinkers stay out of the boring political quarrelling, IMO.

Jordan Peterson?

Re: Slower News

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Post by vuciv1 » Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 6:03 PM UTC

xixixao wrote: post #66

vuciv1 wrote: post #64

ah damn. I've been working on a project that is supposed to emulate getting The Sunday Paper. Only updated on Sundays with the top headlines of the week. No annoying pings, no data collection, etc. I was demotivated when I scrolled through this, but luckily I still feel as though mine is different enough.

It’s encouraging that others have been contemplating this idea - I have been too. For me the key is that content can come every day, but it is delayed based on it’s importance. So instead of Sunday news printing something that happened Saturday, this model prints about the Saturday event two weeks later on a Tuesday when all the facts are known. But it doesn’t have to be every day. The hard part is that I don’t just…

Absolutely, that's a great idea. Only release something when all the facts are known! (Although coding that seems pretty difficult, and curating it seems exhausting)

The news cycle is absolutely toxic. People shouldn't have 24/7 access to the news. The pressure to create news immediately, and in turn, to read them it immediately, is harmful for everyone.

Plus, with very few exceptions, it doesn't matter if you hear about it in 2 seconds or 2 weeks.

I hope to hear about what you're building! Sounds great.