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All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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post #17

Why would you sit quietly alone in a room when you could be enjoying a sauna, soaking up the sun at the beach, or picnicking in a park? I don’t think the problem is sitting alone with one’s thoughts - but rather that an indoor room isn’t a particularly desirable environment. At least it isn’t as undesirable as an airplane seat though.

Picnicking is doing something. Saunaing is doing something. Lying on the beach is doing something. They're all activities driven by desire, and the desire exists to distract you from inner contemplation.

When you're finally just thinking about yourself, your "desirable surroundings" will disappear. You'll be trapped in the discomfort of your mind. You'll then try to escape these thoughts by focusing on the picnic, sauna, beach.

Sitting in a room alone is just a metaphor for only thinking about your inner self. You can do that anywhere. And most people can't stand it, so they do something else. So, your conclusion is right, in that people would always prefer to do anything else other than focus on their inner thoughts. Like being in a place that distracts them.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#62
Don't all of human achievements also come from this inability? The curiosity to find what's out there, and to explore the environment? I think this quote needs a lot of context to be useful - it makes sense to balance seeking stimulation with inward exploration. But to ban it outright is also flawed. Take time off to be with yourself, but don't renounce the world.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#63

Recently I was having a debate with a friend who said "you thought about this lot" in a mocking tone, and I suddenly realized how strange it was that that phrase is used so commonly as an insult. Solid thought isn't just good but necessary and we're seeing the symptoms of this everywhere.

"Tell us how you really feel."

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#64
post #41

Recently I was having a debate with a friend who said "you thought about this lot" in a mocking tone, and I suddenly realized how strange it was that that phrase is used so commonly as an insult. Solid thought isn't just good but necessary and we're seeing the symptoms of this everywhere.

The person's point is likely that you spent a lot of energy on something that probably doesn't matter. This might be subjective, of course, but it is possible to think about something for longer than you should. Navel-gazing isn't a virtue. Though ideally you probably want to be with people who think that the same stuff is important.

But everyone spends time on stuff that doesn't matter. At least thinking about a topic of discussion is better than watching the 18th season of the Bachelor (as an example)

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

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“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.”

- Franz Kafka

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#66

I don’t like this gatekeeping philosophy. I feel that this line of thinking discourages self reflection because the first thing we usually notice when we look honestly at ourselves is what we don’t like about ourselves, but that is just a small part of who we really are. Discomfort from self awareness may be the first step to self improvement. Instead of (falsely) equating mental discomfort with causing “all problems…

> the first thing we usually notice when we look honestly at ourselves Most people cannot achieve that level of objectivity or self-awareness. That is measurable.

I'm not convinced anyone is. Full objectivity is hindered by our minds ability to guess and rationalize.

Personally I find all attempts at self-knowledge are just a constant game of trying to sieve truth from rationalization, and I go back and forth on which is which constantly. Ultimately I cannot tell the difference within myself, and I cannot trust that anyone else can either.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#67

Why is this the top article on hackewnews without any comments?

> "people detest being made to spend six to 15 minutes in a room by themselves with nothing to do but think"

Well, if you have a topic to think about, it's easy to justify the time.

Otherwise, not so much.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#68
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard that a couple times as well and all but once it has been mocking. There is almost a built in anti intellectualism to some people.

rtpg above has hit the nail on the head. Mocking someone for climbing the wrong ladder isn't necessarily anti intellectualism.

Right, but sometimes it is. Strategic apathy is the dumb debate tactic of the moment and in that capacity I'd call it anti-intellectual.

It's hard to watch gel-haired youtubers going back and forth trying to out-apathy (and thereby out-cool) each other and come away with the idea that they are actually having an intellectual meta-debate about the allocation of time and attention. It seems far more likely that they saw someone win a debate by staying cool and projecting apathy, copied the behavior, and have spread it so far and wide that the tactic is now regularly played against itself with farcical results.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#69
post #7

Sorry for the morbid take, but the reason why we cannot sit quietly alone is to distract ourselves from our eventual demise.

Which is just depression. I don't think about dying, unless its the topic of conversation or whatever. I think about living. There's no real point in dwelling on the other.

Re: All problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone (2014)

#70
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have heard that a couple times as well and all but once it has been mocking. There is almost a built in anti intellectualism to some people.

rtpg above has hit the nail on the head. Mocking someone for climbing the wrong ladder isn't necessarily anti intellectualism.

Science itself involves climbing many wrong ladders to verify that they are indeed wrong. Some things you can't know beforehand. Not everything needs that level of dedication, but also, how confident are you that said ladder is wrong unless you've climbed it yourself or have extensive, reliable reports from others who have done so? It's also easy to be like the fox in Aesop's Fables that declares grapes to be sour, untasted.
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