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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by darkteflon »

macintux wrote: post #37
tuhdo wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many other clickbait articles claimed that M1 is better than the best desktop class CPUs. I only tested the water and found otherwise. The 5900HX is planned and should be within 90% performance of my 5800X within 45W TDP. Not close to the power consumption, but then zen 3 is only on 7nm, while M1 is on 5nm. The Mac Mini is $699 with only 8GB RAM, that runs out after a few browser tabs. So, for a work machine, you wou…

> that runs out after a few browser tabs Citation needed

Anecdotal, of course, but I currently have 42 tabs open in Firefox 84 (native M1 build) on an 8gb M1 Mac Mini, as well as two VS Code windows and a bunch of other things like Mail, Calendar, Authy, Bitwarden, etc. As far as memory management is concerned, user experience is indistinguishable from my 32gb Ryzen 3700X desktop with a Samsung NVMe.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by fierarul »

echlebek wrote: post #17

This isn't an apples to apples comparison like the author says, because the package power (37W) of the Ryzen is still quite a bit higher than the M1's. You can see it right there in the graph from Anandtech. The 5800X is a beast of a CPU. The IPC improvements over the previous generation really are incredible. It's not surprising to me at all that it beats the M1 in several benchmarks. However, it's not the same clas…

Honestly everything about the M1 is so hyperbolic it does seem like it could replace super computers soon.

So, everybody knows a little laptop CPU and a desktop Ryzen are not the same class but it's still useful to compare.

I have a new laptop with the Ryzen 4800H, I would surely like a direct comparison with the M1.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by sroussey »

amluto wrote: post #30
ivoras wrote: post #6

In other words, Apple needs to just add 4 more cores to M1 to absolutely mop the floor with the Ryzen?

You’re making a bit assumption that may or may not be true: that M1 will scale well to 8 performance cores. x86 vendors (and POWER) and Linux have put a lot of effort into multi core scaling in the last 15 years or so. Building a fast and efficient core is not the same thing as building one that scales well. I’m sure that Apple is capable of making an effective 8- or 16-core machine, but it may not be as simple as ju…

Core and cache organization gets more difficult, yes.

So do thermals and layout, which is not where Apple has experience (they don’t make any custom chip that requires a fan that I know of).

That said, they have had a looong time to think out this, so I have confidence they will make it work over the next two years.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by eyelidlessness »

p1necone wrote: post #58
gzer0 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, the conclusion states the following: > While M1 is indeed very powerful for its size, when comparing it to the high-end x86 desktop, it is still slower. Okay, great. I'm not sure what to expect when you compare the lowest end first generation processor from Apple to one of the more high-end of the spectrum x86. Edit: Forgot to mention how the power draw on the M1 is still significantly less; m1 with al…

The reason people are making these comparisons between CPUs that are basically in entirely separate market segments is because of apples marketing suggesting that the M1 beats everything , rather than just other low power CPUs, and people taking said marketing at face value.

Well, not quite. They claimed that their own processor designs will beat everything. They made significantly less bold claims about the M1.

While obviously neither of us can predict exactly what they’re planning for the rest of the product line, I think it would be naive to assume they haven’t at least internally validated that they can improve performance above these entry level offerings. Otherwise they just axed almost their entire Mac brand, and quite likely the rest would falter before too long.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by wlesieutre »

thom wrote: post #43

Realistically, what do people think the iMacs and Mac Pros of the M1 era will look like?

The speculation I've read is that the Pro will look similar to current styling but smaller, and the iMac will be a screen on a stand without the chin from the current model. More like a big iPad Pro. I wouldn't be surprised to see FaceID make its first Mac appearance with those.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by [deleted] »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10

Thanks for sharing some programming-centric benchmarks using modern CPUs. I always wish that CPU reviewers would stop churning out pages of graphs with synthetic benchmark workloads and instead post things that actually matter, like compile times and other programming benchmarks. The M1 processor is extremely impressive for the price and power envelope. However, I'm noticing a lot of people have taken Apple's marketi…

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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by jzelinskie »

Jonnax wrote: post #42
eloff wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but is that fair in a benchmark? The RAM maybe because all high end RAM speeds are technically out of spec and are overclocking. But messing with the CPU voltage to juice the benchmark results seems like cheating to me.

Apple's chip has 4200Mhz RAM. Wouldn't it be fair to have both ram speeds the same? Also it's a set of benchmarks some random person did. It's interesting and useful information. They aren't a publication doing a comparison.

For Zen, you actually want to run your memory clock at a multiple of the FCLK and not as high as possible. So making the RAM frequency the same as the M1 might have actually harmed performance.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by barkingcat »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #65
p1necone wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason people are making these comparisons between CPUs that are basically in entirely separate market segments is because of apples marketing suggesting that the M1 beats everything , rather than just other low power CPUs, and people taking said marketing at face value.

Well, not quite. They claimed that their own processor designs will beat everything. They made significantly less bold claims about the M1. While obviously neither of us can predict exactly what they’re planning for the rest of the product line, I think it would be naive to assume they haven’t at least internally validated that they can improve performance above these entry level offerings. Otherwise they just axed a…

I think it's very naive to assume that the marketing department of a megacorporation isn't going to say anything to make more sales.

It's likely that no-one has validated anything when it comes to future tense comparisons.

Read all, believe nothing, especially don't believe the future predictions of someone trying to sell you a laptop today.

Apple has future M1 samples for sure, but they don't have future AMD samples to benchmark against, unless somehow Apple has done some industrial espionage...

In car terms, it's like Tesla trying to persuade someone not to buy a Porsche Taycan. Of course Tesla's going to say their battery lasts longer, even longer than the second generation Taycan no-one has seen that's coming out in a few more years.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by thejosh »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #10

Thanks for sharing some programming-centric benchmarks using modern CPUs. I always wish that CPU reviewers would stop churning out pages of graphs with synthetic benchmark workloads and instead post things that actually matter, like compile times and other programming benchmarks. The M1 processor is extremely impressive for the price and power envelope. However, I'm noticing a lot of people have taken Apple's marketi…

This is why I really like phoronix, they show benchmarks aimed towards developers.
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