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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by dghughes »

ipnon wrote: post #29
gruez wrote: post #15

Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

It's newsworthy that PRC is recruiting Chinese citizens in executive positions of American companies to pursue the intelligence interests of the CCP by disenfranchising Americans of their constitutional rights and in willful violation of American law.

It's a common tactic to recruit (threaten?) people to disrupt anything the CCP doesn't like in Western countries. Even non-Chinese people can be duped (or paid) into helping.

Even local schools and colleges that agree to setting up Confucius Institutes on school grounds. Indoctrinating students into fight anything it deems to be "anti-China".

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by largbae »

cwwc wrote: post #30
pstrateman wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is materially a Chinese company. CEO is Chinese, staff are mostly Chinese.

Interestingly, the number of CCP members employed is way over the baseline quota demanded by Beijing (where usually companies like Jet.com and alibaba will struggle to retain and meet this quota, Zoom has never seemed to has this issue...)

How would one validate the number of CCP members employed at one of these companies, or the quota?

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Post by runawaybottle »

What are the chances these orders to co-opt people in China to do this is coming straight from the top of the CCP?

There is a school of thought that provides a lot of analysis and evidence that the acceleration of the Holocaust was a bottom-up phenomenon (not a master plan made by Hitler years before). Hitler might have laid out details to exile the Jews, but there was no evidence he gave a direct order to begin full scale extermination via extermination camps (different from forced labor camps).

The evidence suggests the underlying Nazi ideologies gave ample flexibility to middle management Nazis to begin competing and escalating into a full blown Holocaust.

With that said, I wonder if the top CCP leaders gave the order ‘get a Zoom executive to troll the Tiananmen Square meetings’, or ‘Specifically do X and X to the Uighurs’. It could very well be possible that there is no directive, just a general ideology that is now being executed in creative ways, completely independent of leadership (but ultimately co-signed by leadership as it fits the ideology).

Once the Nazi sub leadership began their mass shootings of the Jews, they couldn’t stop. They found out it was too much to do at scale, so they escalated to gas chambers.

CCP sub leadership may not be able to stop what they have started.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by random5634 »

Is there anyone close to competitive in terms of user mindshare? We are on zoom. I'd love to get off.

Google Meet? - others on gsuite domains blocked from joining, rules around having accounts etc? We need background replacement or blur. I tried before and couldn't really make it a success (and so confusing with hangouts, chat, talk, duo, allo etc). Background replacement not as good as zoom.

Uberconference - audio latency is worse - we've dialed down our use for conference calls.

Jitasa - I don't see background replace on this?

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by joachim4 »

rosywoozlechan wrote: post #16

There's even an FBI wanted poster for this executive: https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/xinjiang-jin/...

What would a qualify someone to be a Bond villain? I don't have enough experience or knowledge about what qualify your for being a Bond villain, but this guy might be quite high is you account disruption / scale / chaos / get money-power out of it....

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Post by fma »

spoonjim wrote: post #38
jariel wrote: post #14

The real issue is how such a fundamentally important thing - video communications - isn't rock solid and a commodity by now such that any of FAANG, Verizon/AT&T and a host of others don't provide it as easy as anything else. Imagine if you thought CCP were reading your emails? Would your company/school/government use that service? I don't think so. Having supply chain problems for ASICS is one thing. But 'video confe…

First of all, video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver, at the latencies that people expect and the price they're typically willing to pay. It's not a CRUD app. Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing. Apple being the most rock solid of all of them, but limited to Apple devices.

> video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver

The smartest software engineers are in FAAGM, or so I've been told?

> Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing.

If they have solid products, then how did a no name company beat them?

FWIW I'll have to disagree with you on 'solid products'. My wife runs a learning center that went virtual. I evaluated very product that came up on Google search. It was a tight choice between Zoom and Skype, but chose Skype because I felt a big name would have better service. Microsoft kept locking our accounts and doing other shenanigans. Bit the bullet, paid for Zoom and no problems.

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Post by pishpash »

sergiotapia wrote: post #8

I will speak with other leaders at my company to move us away from Zoom for conferencing. If you're a leader how can you read this and not only tolerate it, but pay for it? This is it.

What is "it"? This is an allegation. Under an administration with a highly motivated agenda. Could be true, or could be completely fabricated/exaggerated like all the national security allegations this administration has thrown about.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Post by duxup »

“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.”

― Martin Luther King Jr.

This seems more hauntingly true than ever, and with the internet and people's social lives and communication tied to products from 'everywhere', seemingly injustice anywhere seems to be inching closer and closer to home.

It's not 'well some other place' anymore...

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