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New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in the US?

Washington, for example. RCW 46.61.425: > a person following a vehicle driving at less than the legal maximum speed and desiring to pass such vehicle may exceed the speed limit https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.425 This random internet webpage claims that Idaho, Wyoming, and Minnesota have something similar: https://blog.directauto.com/driving-laws/going-over-speed-li... .

That’s cool, I didn’t know that!

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It it was not a good signal, then a competing auto insurance company would advertise that it does not penalize speeding drivers and win more business.

This is a false dichotomy. It can be noisy and weak without being a competitive disadvantage for the insurance business.

How can it not be a competitive disadvantage? Auto insurance profit margins are very low, and I’m sure the actuaries have access to plenty of data about losses correlated with speeding.

If a speeding ticket did not result in higher losses (probabilistically, not in specific individual cases of course), then a person with a speeding ticket should be able to find cheaper insurance.

The other option is there’s highly qualified people who are decent enough at math to operate insurance companies, but not decent enough to realize they are mispricing an obvious variable.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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What doesn't make sense to me is why can most cars go so much faster than any speed limits? Why not just have the manufacturers build slower cars, or at least limit them somehow. Then make it ilegal for people to tamper with their cars to make them faster. Is there any other reason than playing this game in which law enforcement/governments get to make additional money through tickets?

One example I can think of is emergencies. I’d be okay paying a fine but speeding so I can drive someone to the hospital.

I'd love to see some data that can tell if speeding to the hospital (by random people, not by a trained ambulance driver) has a net positive effect on the outcome of the patients, as well as what the risk of car accidents happening as a result of the speeding.

I also wonder if maybe by forcing cars to go slower we could: 1) reduce car accidents by a lot and 2) reduce current spend on emergency response by a big enough amount that could then allow to use it to cover faster response times (e.g. sending a helicopter)

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #17

I once saw speed cameras as "un-sporting" until travelling elsewhere in the world where they are commonplace. In those countries, it seems like everyone just drives the speed limit. If the point of speed enforcement is to, you know, ensure that everyone is going the speed limit or slower, they're awesome. Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photog…

Take it another level. Every car should have a chip. Once you are in a speed limit - your car can't go faster. Oh wait, this wont generate revenue - so it wont work. Never mind.

better yet, we ought to just put chips in people's brains. make illicit thoughts impossible.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #22
post #17

I once saw speed cameras as "un-sporting" until travelling elsewhere in the world where they are commonplace. In those countries, it seems like everyone just drives the speed limit. If the point of speed enforcement is to, you know, ensure that everyone is going the speed limit or slower, they're awesome. Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photog…

I agree speed camera are necessary but "time of travel" speed cameras are absolutely violating the intent of the law, which is to have people drive safely. Part of driving safely is that you may need to speed up to avoid a situation, or change lanes safely or what have you - a time of travel camera (in the way they get implemented which is identical to single-point speed cameras AFAIK) is essentially just a random ti…

What a load of rubbish. Driving fast to overtake will not make a significant difference, unless you are one of those assholewz weaving between cars constantly overtaking.

It is ridiculous how blaze most roads users take speeding.

And yes, most countries have a point system.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #17

I once saw speed cameras as "un-sporting" until travelling elsewhere in the world where they are commonplace. In those countries, it seems like everyone just drives the speed limit. If the point of speed enforcement is to, you know, ensure that everyone is going the speed limit or slower, they're awesome. Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photog…

No thanks.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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What doesn't make sense to me is why can most cars go so much faster than any speed limits? Why not just have the manufacturers build slower cars, or at least limit them somehow. Then make it ilegal for people to tamper with their cars to make them faster. Is there any other reason than playing this game in which law enforcement/governments get to make additional money through tickets?

from an engineering perspective, it is hard to design a car that can safely travel at 60 mph and accelerate to that speed in a timely fashion without giving it the ability to go much faster. a car with a drag-limited top speed of 60 mph would become a road hazard any time it merged onto a freeway.

it's possible to program a car to cut the throttle when it hits a certain speed, but most people take a dim view of having objects that they own be programmed to disobey them. would you like to use an OS that prevents you from installing any software that could enable illicit activity?

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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I find it odd that there is so much emphasis on enforcement of speed limits. Studies have shown that speed limits above and below the prevailing speed of most drivers is a much higher risk factor that raw speed. And then there are other behaviors such as using a cell phone and driving that may be criminalized, but do not seem to receive such fervent enforcement.

not sure why this is downvoted. I have found it quite hard to find good research tying speeding to accidents. the best you get from NHTSA is accidents where speeding "was a factor". the fraction of accidents where speed was a factor is surprisingly low (around 25% IIRC), and I'm pretty sure they count speeding as a "factor" whenever someone happened to be speeding right before the incident.

I'm inclined to think speeding is enforced much more than other traffic offenses merely because it is the easiest to detect.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #22
post #17

I once saw speed cameras as "un-sporting" until travelling elsewhere in the world where they are commonplace. In those countries, it seems like everyone just drives the speed limit. If the point of speed enforcement is to, you know, ensure that everyone is going the speed limit or slower, they're awesome. Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photog…

I agree speed camera are necessary but "time of travel" speed cameras are absolutely violating the intent of the law, which is to have people drive safely. Part of driving safely is that you may need to speed up to avoid a situation, or change lanes safely or what have you - a time of travel camera (in the way they get implemented which is identical to single-point speed cameras AFAIK) is essentially just a random ti…

For thought experiment, assume a five-mile stretch of road with 60mph limit, and "time of travel" ticket kicking in at 65mph. It takes 5 minutes to drive legally, and if you take less than 4:37 then you get the ticket.

Assume you drive at 60mph and then you suddenly have to "speed up" to 80mph to avoid a situation. How long can you drive at 80mph before you're ticketed? 69 seconds.

If you're driving for 69 seconds at 20mph above limit then you're not "avoiding a situation". You are speeding.

Re: New UK police speed gun can read license plates from half a mile away at night

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post #17

I once saw speed cameras as "un-sporting" until travelling elsewhere in the world where they are commonplace. In those countries, it seems like everyone just drives the speed limit. If the point of speed enforcement is to, you know, ensure that everyone is going the speed limit or slower, they're awesome. Norway's system of timed speed cameras are particularly wonderful -- they simply photograph a car and then photog…

Take it another level. Every car should have a chip. Once you are in a speed limit - your car can't go faster. Oh wait, this wont generate revenue - so it wont work. Never mind.

EU has been making some noises about doing exactly this.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/288592-eu-wants-speed-go...

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