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Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by zamalek »

scelerat wrote: post #50

I'm naturally concerned about this because my brother in law has a regular, ongoing streaming music show/channel on Twitch with live and pre-recorded bands (most of them local to the SF bay area). He's putting a lot of effort into it: professional-level sound engineering and lighting (his day job is a recording engineer/producer and, pre-covid, stage lighting engineer), multiple camera shoots with dollys and booms an…

It's pretty easy, supposedly, to set up streaming to both platforms. He should do so and make the alternative known to his viewers.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

scelerat wrote: post #50

I'm naturally concerned about this because my brother in law has a regular, ongoing streaming music show/channel on Twitch with live and pre-recorded bands (most of them local to the SF bay area). He's putting a lot of effort into it: professional-level sound engineering and lighting (his day job is a recording engineer/producer and, pre-covid, stage lighting engineer), multiple camera shoots with dollys and booms an…

He really should, so to speak, spread his risk; there's multiple streaming and video platforms, and unless he got paid a ton of money to become exclusive to Twitch he is under no obligation to be exclusive to Twitch. I mean I know he'll get the biggest audience via Twitch but it's a big risk to bet everything on one proverbial horse.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

jowsie wrote: post #52
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When will platforms start to be charged for their mistakes? When they start to charge their customers. I know I’ll get downvoted first this, but this kind of thing happens because each user in general is earning them cents and the the only way to enforce their policies is to do it on mass with automation and review by a human if the person complains (and then often rushed and not very well). Although some large acc…

In this case with Twitch, the person needing the support is the partnered streamer, who is earning them substantially more than cents.

Yes, but a large proportion of a streamers viewers will just spend their time watching another streamer.

We have our favourites but there’s always a second best that I’d spend my time watching.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by annexrichmond »

codingdave wrote: post #57
libertine wrote: post #31

When will platforms start to be charged for their mistakes? Pretty sure if they had to make financial compensations for their mistakes, they would start using humans more often to support this crap automated system. You would start to see more people being able to reach human support, getting human replies, etc. Would be pretty easy - for each day without reply, fine X. For X day of suspension, fine Y. And so on. If…

You make them pay by abandoning them as a customer. Stop streaming. Stop watching. Fining businesses who make mistakes is a dangerous path. That means anyone new to the industry who tosses up their first project is open to getting fined if they make a mistake. It also means there is either some organization in charge of being the watchdog for the industry with power to just apply fines to companies as they see fit...…

Instead of fining businesses, perhaps the answer is litigation.

I’m not sure what their TOS says, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it protects from this, but yeah, the liability should be that you open yourself up to being sued if you erroneously remove a user from your platform, who is using it as their job

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

nerdponx wrote: post #33
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #32

How does the record industry bully behemoths like Amazon (Twitch) and Google (Youtube)?

They don't bully the tech corps, they bully content creators using the DMCA, and the tech corps have to let them do it by law. And big corps in general, tech or not, know that it's in their best interest to not blatantly and visibly break the law, lest it invite additional regulations or penalties. The problem fundamentally is a warped counterproductive copyright law that enables organizations like the RIAA to do wha…

Not suggesting they break the law. I mean, these copyright laws were put in place by intense lobbying from megacorps. Why don't megacorps that stand to gain from more relaxed copyright law do the same?

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by dpedu »

clircle wrote: post #2

Well, did he just write the songs or does he own the copyright? The former isn't enough to make this a wrongful suspension.

Some time ago he announced that some of Dragonforce's albums are "dmca free" and "allowed" to be played on twitch.

I couldn't find any more details than this: https://old.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/gzx3s0/herman_li_gu...

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by fortran77 »

Every time I upload a video of me playing a "classical" work (Bach, Chopin, Mozart) on the piano, I get a YouTube warning and the content blocked. So far, about two dozen times, I challenge it and it comes back, but I expect someday to exceed some threshold and be gone forever.

Some of the challengers are "scam" companies, but other times it's Deutsche Gramophone or Sony.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by Aunche »

libertine wrote: post #31

When will platforms start to be charged for their mistakes? Pretty sure if they had to make financial compensations for their mistakes, they would start using humans more often to support this crap automated system. You would start to see more people being able to reach human support, getting human replies, etc. Would be pretty easy - for each day without reply, fine X. For X day of suspension, fine Y. And so on. If…

They do get charged for their mistakes. When creators lose money, Twitch loses money too. For copyright infringement, humans aren't much any better (see the Katy Perry/Flame lawsuit). Even if the solution was more human review, it would be unprofitable to allow smaller channels to monetize, and inevitably people would complain about that too.

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Post by nowledge »

zamadatix wrote: post #45
libertine wrote: post #31

When will platforms start to be charged for their mistakes? Pretty sure if they had to make financial compensations for their mistakes, they would start using humans more often to support this crap automated system. You would start to see more people being able to reach human support, getting human replies, etc. Would be pretty easy - for each day without reply, fine X. For X day of suspension, fine Y. And so on. If…

The ToS makes no guarantee it'll be there to make your livelihood on tomorrow because you are today. Tomorrow it could say "no music, we don't like that noise" and you'd be shit outta luck because video hosting isn't a public service. Not to mention this doesn't solve anything, who arbitrates the absolute mountain of disputes that come out of this which is just the same thing moved up a level? Especially when someone…

i love that we are running out of jobs in hundreds of fields (especially adjusted to population growth) but the idea of creating jobs to enforce anything against billion dollar monopolies is just crazy talk.

'WHO?! HOW?!' bleated the corporate apologists from safely inside their own privileges.

Re: Twitch suspends DragonForce guitarist Herman Li for playing his own music

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Post by slightwinder »

This is old news and it was wrong. This happend at the height of a new wave of DMCA claims, so people simply assumed this had to be the reason. But it turned out later he showed some nudity, for which he got the usual 3 day-ban.

Also, DMCA claims are not automatically leading to bans. It must have a certain level of harm ir repeated behaviour. And live-DMCA-checks are not active yet it seems, so usually the vod or clip will be deleted and the streamer get's a warning.

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