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An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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I use vrbo.com, as I will never ever give my ID to an online platform to "scan" and "verify". Regardless of statements of "But we delete it after" and "it's safe", time has shown me, again and again, that these statements cannot be made reliably, no matter how much the company desires it. Even if the platform is 100% safe, patched, security is iron-clad, you still have rogue employees stealing and re-selling IDs. It'…

What’s the value in reselling an ID? And don’t you want a platform to have a bit more control than say craigslist in order to avoid scams?

>What’s the value in reselling an ID?

According to this analysis[0], about $20 (not clear from the source whether those are USD or AUD).

[0] https://newsroom.kpmg.com.au/much-personal-identity-worth/

Edit: Clarified that the currency referenced might be USD or AUD.

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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I don't show my ID to "anyone asking for it", but to those whom I choose. Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours. As well, there is a massive difference between showing it for a second to a person, and uploading a digitized image of it. In the former, there is no copy or record of it made. It is merely examined for authen…

> Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours. That's not what "public" necessarily mean, what you have in mind is published in a public registry, while public here means that there are no secrets involved. Your ID is being circulated, and scanned, and copied, between different people and companies and organizations that you w…

Your ID is most certainly secret. There are acts all over the world, protecting Personal Identifiable Information (Pii). ID, as it includes things like name, address, sex, height, weight, age, eye colour, signature, falls under a variety of legislations.

My ID is not having any of the things you said, done. Not legally. It is illegal where I live, for companies, or persons, to share PII without permission. And even if permission is granted, there are massive restrictions on how to store it, share it, and so on.

My ID is seen as "a secret to be kept" by the state. Laws exist for the purpose of keeping it as secret as possible.

Due to all of these laws, ID is not asked for, at least where I live, in the bizarre fashion it seems to be asked for, where ever you live. For example, when I open a bank account, the banking rep does ask for my ID, look at my ID, and... return it!

No copying, cloning, scanning, or even writing down the number!

Why would they? The purpose of ID is to show "Yeah, this guy is who he claims to be", and that's it. Purpose over.

Once done, the bank issues me ID to use with it, and its services. My bank card.

And remembering ID? Who would I even be sharing my ID with? I've gone years without pulling it out of my pocket. Why do I need it? For whom? When?

Regardless, your last paragraph isn't relevant. You're discussing someone pulling an illegal act, compared to my desire to reduce the probability of an illegal act happening.

I don't think there's much left to say here. You seem to want to ignore all differences of scale and scope, and just pretend that things with different risk factors, are 100% identical.

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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> Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours. That's not what "public" necessarily mean, what you have in mind is published in a public registry, while public here means that there are no secrets involved. Your ID is being circulated, and scanned, and copied, between different people and companies and organizations that you w…

Your ID is most certainly secret. There are acts all over the world, protecting Personal Identifiable Information (Pii). ID, as it includes things like name, address, sex, height, weight, age, eye colour, signature, falls under a variety of legislations. My ID is not having any of the things you said, done. Not legally . It is illegal where I live, for companies, or persons, to share PII without permission. And even…

> No copying, cloning, scanning, or even writing down the number!

Not sure where you live, but that seems bizarre to me oO btw I've lived in France/China/Canada/UK/US and have had bank accounts in all these countries and remember having to share my ID every time (which was photocopied).

Also PII and laws like GDPRs are not about "secrets".

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Your ID is most certainly secret. There are acts all over the world, protecting Personal Identifiable Information (Pii). ID, as it includes things like name, address, sex, height, weight, age, eye colour, signature, falls under a variety of legislations. My ID is not having any of the things you said, done. Not legally . It is illegal where I live, for companies, or persons, to share PII without permission. And even…

> No copying, cloning, scanning, or even writing down the number! Not sure where you live, but that seems bizarre to me oO btw I've lived in France/China/Canada/UK/US and have had bank accounts in all these countries and remember having to share my ID every time (which was photocopied). Also PII and laws like GDPRs are not about "secrets".

No bank photocopies ID in Canada. Ever.

A secret is a thing you do not share with another. What do you think PII laws say? Don't share!

I don't see the point in continuing here. You merely wish to try to change the meaning of words, over and over. It's pointless.

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Personally, I don't trust panes of glass or rental doors (where anyone could have copied keys) to keep my belongings safe. I have a small backpack that always contains my laptops and cameras, and it comes everywhere with me when I am traveling. I don't leave it at the hotel, I don't leave it in the airbnb, and I don't leave it in the car. (Remember, the trunk of the car is one smashed window and four seconds away fro…

I also miss South Africa

I'm from Detroit.

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Not meaning to suggest he "asked for it", but there's a reason hotels have safes and secure storage services. Burglaries happen all the time. Even if all the windows are locked, burglaries can happen in all sorts of ways, particularly in free-standing houses. I don't like leaving my laptop or other valuables in my own home. I keep my devices with me when I can, and avoid owning items that burglars would want to steal…

> I've known of people working in the industry, casually making fraudulent claims on devices just because they felt like an upgrade. Can you explain this part in more detail?

Early in my time in the travel industry I heard of mid-to-senior-ranking staff in major travel companies who would file fraudulent travel insurance claims for "lost"/"stolen" devices, when the device was neither lost nor stolen. It was told as if this was a fairly common/routine act.

Of course it's not just in travel where this kind of thing happens. I once watched as an acquaintance who worked in a senior/highly-paid job for a major bank, deliberately destroy a high-end phone/PDA (it was a long time ago) so he could claim a new one from his employer.

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Imagine your thought would be more like: "huh what made a fellow human go so far to steal from an AirBnB rental in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving? We should make sure that education and social support are so strong that this is not an issue. But hey, its just easier to try to solve it the other way around right? You can develop your face detection and human beeing tracking skynet from your nice SF home with your nice gear…

why are you making up some fake backstory for the thieves? for all you know they are millionaires and doing it for fun. not every criminal is a victim of the society. some just steal stuff for fun or because they dont want a job or because they can.
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