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Wonder, is it difficult for Spotify to create this kind of feature from their collection? They already have curated playlists. But with AI, they could do this any day? or am I thinking crazy?
What does "classical" mean in this context? My benchmark for the term "classical" is traditional European classical music, and so I'm having a hard time understanding where this fits in the Indian musical spectrum, either stylistically or temporally.
Classical in the sense that this is a tradition of sufficient vintage, backed by a theory of music. There are at least 2 distinct systems of Indian music which are called classical. 1. Carnatic - the south Indian classical music. Traditionally Purandara Dasa is supposed to be the originator, from around the 13th century. This came up in the Vijayanagar empire. But there are older composers like Vyasa Raya whose compo…
Here is my basic understanding of Indian music: The northern and southern parts have their own styles but with overlaps. What's amazing is that Indian classical music has no key. There is no absolute sense of middle C or whatever. It is relative to the tuning of the drone. I don't have a strong background in music, but this seems to get rid of the complexity of the notation system in the west with a much more fluid a…
It has a 'key' it's just not standard. It doesn't matter though. What it does is make use of specific scales, or one scale, in particular, the minor scale or maybe one of it's variants. The problem is actually ... they stay in that one scale, forever. This is a limitation of this music. This music is: take a scale, and have someone play a very long, intuitive solo overtop in that one key, effectively one chord. The s…
What you see as a very long solo overtop in one key - in the raga system - has some characteristic phrases or patterns, which are interpretatively exposed extempore. That lends the rendition a great degree of freedom.
Further, multiple ragas can share one 'key' too.
I would like to understand what you find limiting about that.
What does "classical" mean in this context? My benchmark for the term "classical" is traditional European classical music, and so I'm having a hard time understanding where this fits in the Indian musical spectrum, either stylistically or temporally.
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Here is my basic understanding of Indian music: The northern and southern parts have their own styles but with overlaps. What's amazing is that Indian classical music has no key. There is no absolute sense of middle C or whatever. It is relative to the tuning of the drone. I don't have a strong background in music, but this seems to get rid of the complexity of the notation system in the west with a much more fluid a…
It has a 'key' it's just not standard. It doesn't matter though. What it does is make use of specific scales, or one scale, in particular, the minor scale or maybe one of it's variants. The problem is actually ... they stay in that one scale, forever. This is a limitation of this music. This music is: take a scale, and have someone play a very long, intuitive solo overtop in that one key, effectively one chord. The s…
Agam https://youtu.be/AiPnyxPyVVw
Mother Jane https://youtu.be/3y2siWVi-GQ
Prasanna guitar https://youtu.be/QA5UWHFg-SE
What does "classical" mean in this context? My benchmark for the term "classical" is traditional European classical music, and so I'm having a hard time understanding where this fits in the Indian musical spectrum, either stylistically or temporally.
Classical in the sense that this is a tradition of sufficient vintage, backed by a theory of music. There are at least 2 distinct systems of Indian music which are called classical. 1. Carnatic - the south Indian classical music. Traditionally Purandara Dasa is supposed to be the originator, from around the 13th century. This came up in the Vijayanagar empire. But there are older composers like Vyasa Raya whose compo…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangeet_Natak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdlLqzs9LKk
There is an interesting form of performance called Jugalbandi where different artists perform duet (mostly without rehearsal).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugalbandi
Another rare video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk60ObnbIOk
Few band suggestions for people with rock, metal background who want to listen to carnatic music . Agam https://youtu.be/AiPnyxPyVVw Mother Jane https://youtu.be/3y2siWVi-GQ Prasanna guitar https://youtu.be/QA5UWHFg-SE
Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tuning (at least in our universe, due to the distribution of the prime numbers) is an exercise in tradeoffs. Indian classical music makes a different tradeoff than western classical (or its direct and indirect descendants), which gives it GREATER freedom than western some areas, and less in others. Its true that Indian music doesn't modulate (~change keys). If your goal is modulation (~changing keys), than Indian cla…
So that's some valiant rhetoric, but I don't think you've made the case. There are dozens of scales within 'Western Music' and there's many musical variants which allow 'notes in between'. Stringed instruments easily allow for the variation in chord intervals as you've mentioned, yet they're generally not used in the manner you've described, because I don't think that's the tradeoff being made. ("holding a base note,…
On ET, /all/ the major thirds express exactly the same ratio, as do the fourths, minor thirds, etc etc etc. The tuning is designed carefully to give this regularity. Every chord has exactly the same ratios involved, no matter what note you start it from.
That's very much not true of just intonation scales, and then there's the many scales lying between equal and just like well-tempered, etc etc.
Most music that isn't derived from the western scales has tunings that are expresable very accurately in just intonation, and do not align well with ET tunings (until the tunings shifted with cheap electronic ET-tuned instruments).
Western/culturally-most-common 12 tone-ET music (aided partly by western instruments like midi keyboards) definitely are the most common today, but that is a relatively modern phenom.
This isn't to say that "the old was better" or "the new is better".... they're just... tradeoffs.
Dismissing one of the most seriously pursued classical music traditions (whole extended families sole-y professionally devoted to it for hundreds of years allows massive intergenerational knowledge transfer and thereby accumulation) as being less flexible because its less flexible in the axis your culture has particularly prized strikes me as.....