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Re: 1MB Club

#61

Post by thesuitonym »

stickfigure wrote: post #59
bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

I hear my users constantly yelling for more features. Not one has complained about the page load (5mb uncompressed, plus a delay for auth to initialize). I'll keep listening to my users.

Because anyone who complains is given this treatment. We don't complain to everybody we just bounce.

Re: 1MB Club

#62

Post by Shared404 »

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

> In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares".

This list has a second hidden benefit: Typically, I find that those who have very lightweight pages have more interesting things to say.

That being said, that's not a hard and fast rule, as I both have a lightweight page, and not much that's interesting to say.

Re: 1MB Club

#63

Post by Shared404 »

thesuitonym wrote: post #61
stickfigure wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear my users constantly yelling for more features. Not one has complained about the page load (5mb uncompressed, plus a delay for auth to initialize). I'll keep listening to my users.

Because anyone who complains is given this treatment. We don't complain to everybody we just bounce.

> We don't complain to everybody

Except on forum's. We complain there :P

Re: 1MB Club

#64

Post by ffpip »

Shared404 wrote: post #62
bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

> In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". This list has a second hidden benefit: Typically, I find that those who have very lightweight pages have more interesting things to say. That being said, that's not a hard and fast rule, as I both have a lightweight page, and not much that's interesting to say.

This is also true for how the site 'looks'. The less flashier, the more interesting the content might be to read. They don't bother about SEO/clicks

Re: 1MB Club

#65

Post by ffpip »

susam wrote: post #50

How accurate is this list? I see it mentions that visiting https://danluu.com/ downloads only 9.1 kB but when I actually visit this website with Google Chrome, in the Developer Tools' Network tab, I see that a total of 21.7 kB is transferred. Name Status Type Size ------------ ------ -------- -------- danluu.com 200 document 2.5 kB analytics.js 200 script 18.9 kB collect 200 xhr 67 B favicon.ico 404 text/html 266 B S…

Are you not using an ad blocker? danluu.com has google-analytics, which is a very large script.

Please use uBlock Origin.

Re: 1MB Club

#66

Post by geodel »

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

If general public even knew who to complain they would have surely yelled loudly. For now I hear non-tech people say 'Oh, our internet is slow even though we pay lot of money'

Meanwhile valley bros keep helpfully reminding me to upgrade my computer to a reasonable 2020sh.

Re: 1MB Club

#67

Post by aresant »

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

"Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem" - agree.

With the major disclaimer that if your website serves ANY commercial utility for you personally or your business website speed is hugely important a clear cause / effect impact on engagement, conversion rate, bounce rate, etc.

Re: 1MB Club

#68

Post by noobermin »

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

I don't know about you but I see a lot of complaints on twitter about the new stories feature. That isn't a complaint about things being slow but it does seem to suggest users want to go backwards wrt new features that are unneeded.

Re: 1MB Club

#69

Post by hinkley »

geodel wrote: post #66
bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

If general public even knew who to complain they would have surely yelled loudly. For now I hear non-tech people say 'Oh, our internet is slow even though we pay lot of money' Meanwhile valley bros keep helpfully reminding me to upgrade my computer to a reasonable 2020sh.

I wonder if the answer is better visualization tools? We have fairly detailed dashboards that we as developers can look at, but there is no “check engine light” version for people who just want things to “go”.
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