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Re: Servo’s new home

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Not at the moment. Help is welcome: https://servo.org/#support-and-donations :)

Does being part of the Linux Foundation mean financial support?

The project will be forming a funding membership charter, similar to other foundations in the LF like say GraphQL Foundation (https://foundation.graphql.org/members/) which will pool financial resources and ensure a sustainable long term home, if your company is interested in helping out, shoot an email to info@servo.org

Re: Servo’s new home

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> or donating to help cover the project’s new CI and hosting costs,

Planning to do exactly that tonight.

I'm one of those who stopped donating to Mozilla once I realized none of the money donated could ever be used for developing the browser.

If anybody else thought like me tonight might be a good time to prove we were principled, not cheap.

Edit: one more thing. Hopefully at some time we can now recreate Firefox with a new name, a new engine and a new, safe but also complete extension API that allows us to recreate what we've lost over the last few years.

Edit2: done.

Re: Servo’s new home

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Why is Mozilla not betting on Rust anymore?

Mozilla has decided to move to a different mission less about improving the web and more about enacting things that make them money, so they can continue to pay a large CEO salary and push policy objectives against free speech. Unfortunately Mozilla seemed to go from "awesome" to really disappointing in a very short time window.

> pay a large CEO salary

Sure, I’ll buy that.

> push policy objectives against free speech

Can people please stop this latent homophobia? Mozilla fired a person who donated money to a deplorable cause. You can try to hide behind free speech, but we all know what this is about.

Re: Servo’s new home

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Mozilla has decided to move to a different mission less about improving the web and more about enacting things that make them money, so they can continue to pay a large CEO salary and push policy objectives against free speech. Unfortunately Mozilla seemed to go from "awesome" to really disappointing in a very short time window.

Wow, that is a hugely loaded statement. Even if it is 100% true, the level of derision and bias should make any person not familiar with the situation question everything you say. If you're going to be that biased, at least back it up. And by back it up, I mean at LEAST throwing in some statements of fact, if not URLs.

Every thread tangentially related to Mozilla has a bunch of people who don't understand how non-profits work come in and complain about executive compensation.

Re: Servo’s new home

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This is also my concern. Everyone's cheering on, but I'm just thinking... What's the mission and end goal now? Previously it was doing research, with the possibility of landing in Firefox. Now that's highly unlikely.

Is it really so unlikely? Firefox integrates all kinds of components from elsewhere; why shouldn't it continue adopting parts of Servo where appropriate?

Seems just more unlikely.

It's one thing for a mozilla team member to say "Hey, let's pull the servo css layout engine into firefox" It's a whole different thing for someone to say "Hey, let's pull the webkit css layout engine into firefox".

The servo stuff, while for experimentation, was ultimately geared towards the notion of landing parts of it into firefox. It was built for that. Under an opensource foundation maintainer model, there's a strong possibility that it moves from that as a goal.

Re: Servo’s new home

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Mozilla has decided to move to a different mission less about improving the web and more about enacting things that make them money, so they can continue to pay a large CEO salary and push policy objectives against free speech. Unfortunately Mozilla seemed to go from "awesome" to really disappointing in a very short time window.

Wow, that is a hugely loaded statement. Even if it is 100% true, the level of derision and bias should make any person not familiar with the situation question everything you say. If you're going to be that biased, at least back it up. And by back it up, I mean at LEAST throwing in some statements of fact, if not URLs.

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Re: Servo’s new home

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I'd guess many Electron users don't care about the node.js parts at all, they simply choose electron because it's more popular than the alternatives like CEF.

Node has done a lot of work in defining a runtime outside of the browser. I'm guessing much of this work would need to be done with spidermonkey in order to match common functionality. It'd also help out an electron equivalent for gecko, too.

Some electron users are certainly take advantage of the features node.js provides. But others just want a html+js based UI on top of a local webserver written in their preferred language.

My ideal model would be having one piece of trusted javascript which works similar to web extensions which can control the window, trigger navigations, approve or deny permission requests by origins and can interact with the current web control. Any advanced integration with the host operating system would happen though the local webserver (which could be implemented in node.js if that's your thing, or in C#, Rust...). This would not require many changes to a browser runtime.

Re: Servo’s new home

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How many paid developers will it have now, and how many did it have at Mozilla?

None at the moment. Help is welcome: https://servo.org/#support-and-donations :)

I have a hard time believing that a project as ambitious as servo can survive without several paid core developers.

Re: Servo’s new home

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With the growing concern about browser monopoly and engine monopoly going against everything the web was intended to be, are you planning on acquiring funding from government grants? EU at least used to give out money to interesting projects, is there hope for servo to get some?

Quite possible. But you need an EU entity for that and it's likely why Eclipse Foundation (Eclipse Foundation != Eclipse IDE for those who are not aware but rather a competitor to Apache and Linux foundations) has moved to Europe: https://newsroom.eclipse.org/news/announcements/open-source-...

Re: Servo’s new home

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On the face of it, this sounds great! I hope it leads to bold new things. It also produces an interesting coherence: Google + MS -> Blink Apple -> Webkit Linux -> Servo All the main OSs now have their own web rendering engine. The 00s saw anti-trust against MS for this practice (ok, for the rigid way MS forced their engine onto their users)... but today the market has coalesced around the same core idea, cementing th…

So feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong.

I thought the biggest draw to Electron was that it was a single stable platform that worked and looked the same everywhere.

I feel like (based on that) any attempts to move to OS bundled web engines would completely miss the point of why Electron is popular.

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