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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by userbinator »

chongli wrote: post #13
gbl08ma wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't work like that since certain videos use obfuscation methods that random cat videos don't.

I was under the impression that those obfuscation methods were exclusive to certain YouTube partners, including the RIAA members. If youtube-dl stopped supporting that method, it would still be a useful tool for the bulk of its use cases and the RIAA would no longer have any leg to stand on since it'd no longer be able to download their members' videos.

In my experience many videos have it, not necessarily ones associated with the RIAA (or perhaps the overzealous[1] content detector just thinks there's some of their content in there), so it's definitely necessary to decode the algorithm for youtube-dl to work on not just RIAA content videos.

IMHO giving the client both the key and the algorithm to decode the content should not count as any form of protection, but the lawyers don't care...

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16075325

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by redwall_hp »

grumple wrote: post #44
johannes1234321 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In their self view they ensure that artists earn money for their living, thus allow artists to survive. And there is some truth to it. Finding the right balance is hard ... but in my view they "rights holder industry" is too strong indeed.

I'd be interested in seeing how much money from their suits gets to the artists, or even to distributors - or what effect on revenue their deterrence causes.

It's not really a secret. The music industry has always been about concerts: radio play (or streaming, which uses the same revenue model) doesn't pay anything and artists get pennies on the dollar for record sales. The RIAA represents record labels more than artists.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by josephcsible »

siddharthgoel88 wrote: post #35

But now I guess Github should be used as a read-only redundancy rather than for development.

Why? GitHub didn't do anything wrong. They took this down because they were required to by law. It would have been the same story with anyone else.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by blueline »

bigbubba wrote: post #27
crumbshot wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

yeah unlike us hackers who are saving the world with targeted ads and food delivery

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

IgorPartola wrote: post #10

Well this was a wild ride from start to finish. Anyone got a count on how many times someone suggested distributing YouTube-dl via a blockchain in all these discussions? Also, how come Google hasn’t asked for it to be taken down given that it has YouTube in the name?

well, git is a block chain, so I guess this is already the case :D

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by bigbubba »

detaro wrote: post #41
bigbubba wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow, a few days ago I downloaded the tarball of the code and 'binary' (it's a Python script) from their website. Both seemed to be hosted there. https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.1...

That link redirects to a file on gitlab.com, and that they don't host it was given by uberspace as part of the reason for ignoring the request.

Huh, so that's basically the excuse TPB uses right? "We don't host content, just links to content."

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by josephcsible »

sp332 wrote: post #11
themihai wrote: post #7

Nice...I bet the evil RIAA didn't think only about the two tests when they reported the project....

Actually that's all they complained about.

I think the point was that their real goal was to kill youtube-dl entirely, and the tests just happened to give them something to complain about to do so.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by RobRivera »

ForHackernews wrote: post #34
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

Everyone thinks they're saving the world. I'm sure the RIAA sleeps soundly knowing they're defending the rights of creative individuals to make a living and holding the line against the scourge of amoral nihilistic pirates.

There's plenty of people out there who simply do X for financial payout Y.

As a matter of fact, the financial services sector thrives with such people

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by webmaven »

ForHackernews wrote: post #34
bigbubba wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.

Everyone thinks they're saving the world. I'm sure the RIAA sleeps soundly knowing they're defending the rights of creative individuals to make a living and holding the line against the scourge of amoral nihilistic pirates.

> Everyone thinks they're saving the world. I'm sure the RIAA sleeps soundly knowing they're defending the rights of creative individuals to make a living and holding the line against the scourge of amoral nihilistic pirates.

Amoral Nihilistic Pirates would be a great name for a band.

Just sayin'.

Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored

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Post by jefftk »

bigbubba wrote: post #30
detaro wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The webhost had a different situation: neither code nor binaries were hosted with them. Although DMCA specifically doesn't apply to a German hoster of course, and uberspace is run by the kinds of people that'd probably try and take this to court instead of just rolling over.

I don't follow, a few days ago I downloaded the tarball of the code and 'binary' (it's a Python script) from their website. Both seemed to be hosted there. https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.1...

It's hosted on gitlab.com:

    $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \
       https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\
       /latest/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    HTTP/1.1 302 Found
    Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:04:10 GMT
    Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS)
    Location: https://youtube-dl.org/downloads\
      /2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    Content-Length: 3
    Connection: close
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

    $ curl -sS -D- -o/dev/null \
       https://youtube-dl.org/downloads/\
       2020.11.12/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    HTTP/1.1 302 Found
    Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 15:05:03 GMT
    Server: Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS)
    Location: https://gitlab.com/dstftw/\
      youtube-dl/uploads/99d745f22ca3c2a8e9a2\
      3def5446289a/youtube-dl-2020.11.12.tar.gz
    Content-Length: 3
    Connection: close
    Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
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