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Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by mjfl »

techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? They probably make $2k per month and live in a $500 / month apartment and can't afford to leave, can't afford to fly anywhere. Financial success should give you some fortitude to withstand really minor insults like that.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by alsetmusic »

xivzgrev wrote: post #6

Sure. If I rented, my job was secure, and all of my friends are packing, of course I would take a free $10k to move somewhere else for a year. The pandemic is probably going to take at least that long to wind out. I can always just move back if SF picks up again.

This doesn’t make sense to me at all, but perhaps only because I scored an incredible space in Oakland. You can’t count on not having to accept a downgrade when you come back. I’ve been in my current location for years and don’t plan to relocate until I buy a house. It took over a year to find a good spot in my neighborhood and that was when I already lived nearby and touring locations was easy.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by vmception »

paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

Think about all the people behind on their rent and/or need to break their lease (an additional month rent) to move otherwise they risk a court ordered eviction, a debt judgement, and being on the “do not rent” list for all landlords everywhere forever no matter if the monthly rent is 1/10th the amount that caused the problem during a global pandemic.

A $10k cash infusion solves all or a lot of that in most cases.

Many of these people had already considered leaving or walking away.

The bay area is a very transient place of economic migrants, abruptly leaving isn't a major decision for a large population there, just as marginally inconvenient as any move.

Also we are talking about less than 500 applications so far. (1000 applicants, half from california, “many from bay area), bay area is 8 million people.

Hope that provides perspective.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by paxys »

vmception wrote: post #63
paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

Think about all the people behind on their rent and/or need to break their lease (an additional month rent) to move otherwise they risk a court ordered eviction, a debt judgement, and being on the “do not rent” list for all landlords everywhere forever no matter if the monthly rent is 1/10th the amount that caused the problem during a global pandemic. A $10k cash infusion solves all or a lot of that in most cases. Ma…

Well you're not getting a $10k infusion. It'll be paid out over a year. And the one application criteria (must already have a stable job which allows working fully remotely) filters out pretty much everyone you mentioned above who has been adversely affected by the pandemic.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by brudgers »

redslazer wrote: post #49
paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

If you are trying to bootstrap something, 10K (and a free co-working space) in a city where a two bedroom apartment costs $800 rather than $4000 is pretty sweet depending on your life situation.

If those numbers make a difference then it may be a sign that the business is severely undercapitalized. An under capitalized business might last longer in Tulsa. Whether that’s a feature or a bug depends on how one values failing fast. A zombie is still a zombie.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by austincheney »

pqoek wrote: post #50
techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry But I can understand that one wouldn't want to be the one that has to suffer for the good cause, because it takes generations for things to improve. The great thing about religion is that it attracts fanatics who are willing to do this work. I wish there was a movement to make the world a better place with missionaries going abroad an…

> Part of changing and improve things is to actually move there to dilute the bigotry

Yes, bigotry is a nasty stain. Otherwise this thought sounds so tone deaf.

The common perception outside California is that Californians royally fucked it up and are flooding out like water from a ruptured damn, except they are bringing their political baggage with them to damage their new home just like the thing they can’t escape from fast enough.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mjfl wrote: post #61
techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? They probably make $2k per month and live in a $500 / month apartment and can't afford to leave, can't afford to fly anywhere. Financial success should give you some fortitude to withstand really minor insults like that.

> if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you?

I think of my New York City taxes as a country club fee. That way they aren’t half bad.

If I made a little less or a lot more they would be a problem. But having distance from racists, homophobes and idiots, who tend to congregate in low-cost places for being, generally, useless, is worth a few tens of thousands of dollars a year. The wealthy in Tulsa, after all, pay similarly to castle themselves.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by simtel20 »

mjfl wrote: post #61
techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? They probably make $2k per month and live in a $500 / month apartment and can't afford to leave, can't afford to fly anywhere. Financial success should give you some fortitude to withstand really minor insults like that.

You don't seem to be understanding that it is clearly not about one clerk. It's about the local consensus results in that clerk feeling entitled to dismiss the GPs wife and family as non-persons, as being lesser than someone born in the USA. This is something they will feel every day at every level if they live there.

Having your family members feel dehumanized in every interaction in their daily routines is not worth any amount of money if you care at all about your family when you can instead love somewhere where basic respect is the born.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by paxys »

redslazer wrote: post #49
paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

If you are trying to bootstrap something, 10K (and a free co-working space) in a city where a two bedroom apartment costs $800 rather than $4000 is pretty sweet depending on your life situation.

> If you are trying to bootstrap something

That already doesn't meet the eligibility criteria

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by said »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #67
mjfl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? They probably make $2k per month and live in a $500 / month apartment and can't afford to leave, can't afford to fly anywhere. Financial success should give you some fortitude to withstand really minor insults like that.

> if you're getting paid a tech salary to live in Tulsa + $10k who the FUCK cares if a clerk is rude to you? I think of my New York City taxes as a country club fee. That way they aren’t half bad. If I made a little less or a lot more they would be a problem. But having distance from racists, homophobes and idiots, who tend to congregate in low-cost places for being, generally, useless, is worth a few tens of thousan…

>Trade private equity in technology companies. Former aerospace investment banker and before that, algorithmic equity derivatives trader.

You're so Jewish.

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