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Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by reportingsjr »

atty wrote: post #20

What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.

Visiting my parents outside for Thanksgiving if the weather is ok. Everything else is going to be video chats.

Almost none of my family have followed reasonable guidelines and I've seen snapchats, etc of them eating indoor at restaurants. There is zero chance I'm going in any of their houses even with a mask on.

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Post by Sodman »

mrtksn wrote: post #28

According to the article, the result was 177 infections and 7 deaths. That's almost %4 death rate, way over the official US death rate. Any idea why would that be?

The article says that the mother of somebody who attended the wedding worked at a long term care facility, which houses a more at-risk population.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by gagege »

mumblemumble wrote: post #32
newfeatureok wrote: post #11

By sheer coincidence I’ve been reading World War Z and it’s amazing how in the real world we’re making the same mistakes that countries in the book made against the zombies. Of course the situation is entirely different, but it’s interesting. Why doesn’t the government actually just enforce rules? So many lockdowns, mandates and laws but so little enforcement, or the penalty is not commensurate with the risk. What’s…

> Why doesn’t the government actually just enforce rules? Because there is no government to enforce the rules. Only a loose aggregation of individuals, each with their own personal interests. Those interests often include things like, "I don't want to do anything that might anger people and lose me the next election," or, "If I cite someone for this, I am going to have even more paperwork to do when I get back to the…

Unless you open the Pandora's Box of Martial Law under a dictatorship.

Re: Super-spreading wedding demonstrates Covid-19 risk posed by holiday gatherings

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Post by raesene9 »

NotTheDr01ds wrote: post #41

Isn't the long-term care facility link a little implausible? 4 days seems like a bit short for the child to be infected, incubate to the point of being contagious, pass it to the parent, then incubate again to the parent being symptomatic. Regardless, the wedding and reception behavior was entirely irresponsible. But the link between it and the long-term care cases seems tenuous, at best.

It would depend on how the tracing was done I'd expect. I believe it is often possible to sequence the data from the infections to provide a link between them, that may have been done in this case. (https://twitter.com/nextstrain - is an example)

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Post by snakeboy »

jjulius wrote: post #33
atty wrote: post #20

What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.

Normally we'd fly out of town for Thanksgiving/Christmas to our respective families, but my wife and I are staying put this year. My parents are coming to us for Thanksgiving, but we are making them get tested the weekend prior, quarantine at home for a few more days, then they are driving to us only stopping for gas (so, wipe down the pump with a Clorox wipe and then use hand sanitizer after touching it). That proce…

Wouldn't your parents presumably be at much higher risk than you? It seems like the roles should be reversed, no?

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Post by slumdev »

atty wrote: post #20

What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.

For Thanksgiving, we're having brunch with my wife's extended family and then dinner with my extended family.

Christmas is still being planned.

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Post by Ericson2314 »

newfeatureok wrote: post #11

By sheer coincidence I’ve been reading World War Z and it’s amazing how in the real world we’re making the same mistakes that countries in the book made against the zombies. Of course the situation is entirely different, but it’s interesting. Why doesn’t the government actually just enforce rules? So many lockdowns, mandates and laws but so little enforcement, or the penalty is not commensurate with the risk. What’s…

Everyone talks about all the bad things police do.

Not enough people talk about the good things the police don't do because they are too busy doing the the bad things.

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Post by fairity »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #16

We operate in the wedding niche and we have seen a drastic decline in not only the number of weddings but also the size of weddings. The impact has been significant.

I just want to say thank you. COVID shutdowns basically trade the well-being of business owners, employees of said businesses, and healthy people with the well-being of the unhealthy and elderly. This is a worthy trade, but I don't think we show enough appreciation for those whose livelihoods are being taken away.

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Post by ericbarrett »

NotTheDr01ds wrote: post #41

Isn't the long-term care facility link a little implausible? 4 days seems like a bit short for the child to be infected, incubate to the point of being contagious, pass it to the parent, then incubate again to the parent being symptomatic. Regardless, the wedding and reception behavior was entirely irresponsible. But the link between it and the long-term care cases seems tenuous, at best.

Doesn’t seem so; the numbers I’ve heard since the beginning of the pandemic are 24-48 hours until you are infectious, and 2-14 days (a lot of variance) for symptoms, if you are going to show them. If somebody has newer numbers please do share.

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Post by sp332 »

atty wrote: post #20

What are HNers planning to do for the holidays? We’re seriously considering not seeing anyone, not even parents, even though my SO has had COVID already (she works at a hospital and contracted it from COVID patients). Stories like this are the main reason. Even if no one at the party gets very ill, the chance of further spreading it to others seriously scares me.

Fortunately I'm working from home, my parents are teachers who are working remote, and my wife's parents work night shifts cleaning a college that's pretty empty right now. Hopefully we'll be able to get together.
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