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Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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> Anil Sabharwal, Google Photos’ then-head, said in a blog post when the service launched in 2015. “And when we say a lifetime of memories, we really mean it.” Most of Google’s product strategy has been bait & switch, and I saythat with all due to respect to the engineers. It’s the leaders who make these decisions

You could argue that all hyper growth “build it and they will come” types of companies do this bait and switch. It’s inherent to the startup culture that emphasizes capturing users above earning profit in the early stages of a company.

Think about how many VC-backed companies offer services at discounted rates today in hopes of being able charge higher rates for that service in the future. This is endemic to tech generally, not just Google.

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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I don't have much of a problem with Google wanting to charge for photo storage, as services aren't free to run. However, with Google's track record of spontaneously killing services (even paid ones), I'm looking to find alternatives that are less at risk of being rebranded or shut down on a manager's whim. Does anyone have experience with a competing product?

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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> Anil Sabharwal, Google Photos’ then-head, said in a blog post when the service launched in 2015. “And when we say a lifetime of memories, we really mean it.” Most of Google’s product strategy has been bait & switch, and I saythat with all due to respect to the engineers. It’s the leaders who make these decisions

To be fair, Google's pricing on storage is more than reasonable. I pay £2.50/month for 200gb of storage which more than covers my lifetimes worth of photos so far (in full res with a fair few RAW photos in there too). And they're not deleting any photos that users already uploaded. I think Google deserve all the criticism they get for shutting down services. But this one seems to have been handled quite well.

That’s similar to what Microsoft (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/onedrive/compa...) and Apple (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201238; for fun/education, check the pricing in Colombia. I had to google to find the explanation for that) charge.

I also think syncing to one of those is the best solution for most consumers, even though its not a true backup and it runs the risk of account closure for uploading forbidden content.

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well it is like an infinite order of magnitude of a difference when PROMISED otherwise.

For most people, 15GB can very well be a lifetime.

That’s like 5000 photos with today’s resolutions. Many people go through that in a year or two.

Source: Anecdata

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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post #5

> Anil Sabharwal, Google Photos’ then-head, said in a blog post when the service launched in 2015. “And when we say a lifetime of memories, we really mean it.” Most of Google’s product strategy has been bait & switch, and I saythat with all due to respect to the engineers. It’s the leaders who make these decisions

> Anil Sabharwal, Google Photos’ then-head, said in a blog post when the service launched in 2015. “And when we say a lifetime of memories, we really mean it.”

That sure did change and within the classic 5-year business plan model as well.

>Most of Google’s product strategy has been bait & switch, and I say that with all due to respect to the engineers. It’s the leaders who make these decisions

Yes, though how many where planned and how many organicly just ended up that way from a business perspective.

We are all used to the marketing budget phase of companies, initially offering great services and deals, just to get a foothold and then after that period, change bit by bit with the niceties eroded away.

Sad to say that many company does this, just marketing wise it feels less obvious as they are initially in effect using the customer base as the marketing with word of mouth and as people love free, that works out. So down the line many will feel put out by such changes, some will stay with it be that economical evaluation or hassles in moving (not everybody a tech head), so a complacency lock-in happens with so many.

Personally the straw with google came from the endless robotic termination stories having all the services pulled for one misinterpreted action upon on another service they just happen to run. But more so the way they handled Google Music, forcing those who paid for content to be shafted towards a platform just forcing you to pay again as some subscription model to access features you had before and would expect. With that, faith in many things Google does will be tainted, however good intention they seem, the worst case down the line thoughts will stick out way more from all the past instances now.

That all said, I do get it, companies operate to make profit, otherwise they are not a company but a charity. Still, false advertising needs to catchup with the digital age and T&C needs some form of regulation as currently it's still a bit of a mess. After all, people brought Google Phones, sold by Google and some would of done so on the back of what was said in 2015 - so there is that whole avenue of debate that may play out legally. So could be something that gets more depth in the comming months.

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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Charging for storage is becoming silly. Its essentially free. Storage is growing faster than humanity can fill it, and at an ever-spiraling decreasing price. It'd be like charging for windows-up or windows-down on a taxi ride.

>Storage is growing faster than humanity can fill it

Maybe, though I'm not sure it's without breaking a sweat. Also, someone is most definitely footing some rather large bills.

According to this blog post[0] the amount of data uploaded each day is over 4 petabytes. For Drive, Photos and Docs only, i.e. it doesn't even include YouTube.

[0]https://blog.google/products/photos/storage-policy-update/

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those data centres just build themselves, right?

One data center for 1B people? Yes, per person. Folks, try to understand marginal cost. Its a tiny number per person now, and plummeting.

> Folks, try to understand marginal cost.

'Marginal cost' doesn't work like you think it does.

Marginal cost means the cost for adding one new user. But they aren't paying to add one new user. They're paying for all users.

If each user's storage cost 1 dollar a month then yeah adding an individual new user is basically free. But if they're supporting 100 million users then it's a hundred million dollars a month. Which isn't free.

If you still don't quite get it - try this thought experiment. If storage is free then could you afford to set up a storage data centre? If not, why not? It's free after all, in your mind.

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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post #53

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1150/

Can't upvote that enough times. Funny how the truth hurts sometimes. Thanks for the link.

I like the comic and it's definitely hilarious, and but it's not necessarily an apt comparison. Imagine the same situation with a bank holding your money. Are you paying them? (I assume you're not... I guess if you are, you probably shouldn't be.) Does that mean they're not in the business of storing your money and should be able to just give it away if you don't claim it in a month?

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

#69
post #36

I honestly can't see the outrage here. Sure, they've closed their free tier, but they keep up the promise for Pixel owners and do not count images previously uploaded. That's really more than one can ask for in something they get for free .

That's the thing though, you don't really get it for free do you? You just pay with your privacy and data instead.

To whom do you believe google has disclosed private user photos?

Re: Google Photos hooked users with free unlimited storage. Now that's changing

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post #47
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, it's possible with a dedicated or vps with 4TB or more, but this doesn't suit my use case (backup). I want the storage replicated geo-redunduntly backed-up and safer, Glacier/Backblaze/etc-style, not just lost whenever someone breaks into the server or there's a hardware issue at the hosting company, etc. Basically "upload and forget"... Same way, I can't find any good Squarespace/Ghost/Wordpress.com style servi…

Maybe https://wasabi.com/cloud-storage-pricing/#three-info ? Supposedly $5.99/TB/Month

Something like that functionality-wise, but it's still more than Glacier ($16 vs $22 for ~4TB).
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