EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf]

Post by garmaine » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:47 PM UTC

tom_mellior wrote: post #45

cle wrote: post #27

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The problem is that you can’t leave any room for interpretation, because governments generally interpret things as liberally as they can in their favor, to the brink of absurdity. In other words, “encryption” needs to be listed there as a right, to remove any room for interpretation. Or explicitly listed as an example of a more general right, like the right to private speech (or whatever you want to call it).

The EU ministers do want us to have a right to encryption. They just want to be able to decrypt it.

Post by scrollaway » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:48 PM UTC

intricatedetail wrote: post #54

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #36

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> We probably have left at the last minute. If that means you’re British: the GCHQ initiated this. Nobody is more under video surveillance than you guys. Enjoy your chat loicense.

We can now vote for a party who can try to fix this. It wouldn't be possible if that was EU wide.

Post by GhostVII » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:49 PM UTC

raverbashing wrote: post #28

So before discussing this I suggest people read the article because the title is misleading This is (from what I understand) not about a blanket ban on encryption, but the possibility to allow wiretapping on certain E2E comms. Also relevant is this recent decision by the ECJ https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/06/ecj-limits-government-spying... (Naturally this is worrying and I think the main issue with security lies on lac…

Post by djaychela » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:49 PM UTC

intricatedetail wrote: post #57

EliRivers wrote: post #41

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I note that here I am in the UK, and the current home secretary appears to be Priti Patel. Who is far more hardline on this than the EU, and not in the good direction. If we left at the last minute, it's so that we can go faster. One of the things we are deliberately jettisoning is the protections afforded us by being in the EU.

We now have more control and we can vote for a party that could fix this.

Post by maxekman » Sun, Nov 08, 2020, 8:50 PM UTC

euthrow439 wrote: post #34

I'm in my early 40s. Up until I was ~35 I was very strongly against this, sort of like most you. Now I feel the EU in general (some member states a lot worse than others) has backed itself into a corner because of the utterly failed integration efforts, union-wide. I live in a EU nation that has seen a very high rise in violent (and sometimes frankly horrible) crime over the past decade. As a dad of a 1-year old daug…