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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing. Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

I’m an iOS user and a kindle user. Having to go to another place to purchase kindle books doesn’t bother me. But it is mostly about how often I do it. If I was purchasing books every hour it would really bother me. But I only purchase books once a month or less. So it’s not a big deal for me.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing. Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

> Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

Internal emails show how an Amazon ad prompted Steve Jobs and Phil Schiller to block in-app purchases of Kindle books on iOS https://9to5mac.com/2020/07/30/internal-emails-show-how-an-a...

Why You Can't Buy Books from the Kindle app on iPhone or iPad in 2018 https://www.techspot.com/article/1597-how-to-buy-kindle-book...

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

That is disingenuous, at best. Apple takes a large percentage on purchases through the phone, so Amazon doesn't allow the purchase through it. It's not an arbitrary decision on their end.

My understanding is that Amazon also takes their chunk of flesh from book publishers/authors. Honest question then: how is that different? You can publish a book but if you aren’t on Amazon you drastically limit your exposure to potential readers.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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There is no point fighting Apple. Companies spend resources on Apple moving goal posts and focus on artificial problems. Once companies stop supporting Apple products, users will switch to better platforms or Apple will change their ways. I made sure everyone I know is informed about Apple shady practices and knows to avoid their products.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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"what's a computer" And I might add. Until you are able to develop an iPad app in itself, it is not replacing "a real one"

A computer without software is no longer a computer?

As a legal distinction I think it's not unreasonable, i.e. a TV these days is just a big ipad it it's not considered a personal computer.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

In quite some countries, book pricing is fixed by the publisher and cannot vary between websites according to the law. If AAPL takes a 30% margin, the whole model cannot work and you are much better off not selling anything.

I fail to see what the relationship between the publisher and the seller has to do with Apple.

Because in case you're not aware Amazon isn't some mom and pop store. It has enough clout to negotiate terms with publishers.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

#68

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

The question is this: Do you want to build within a certain set of categories Apple unambiguously supports?

If you're building a to-do app supported by a monthly subscription, there's no shifting foundation there. If you're building a free-to-play game whose in-app purchases consist of "handful of gems," "bag of gems," and "trunk of gems," you have nothing to worry about from App Review.

If you're building something without obvious precedent, however, trying to break new ground in the spirit of tech entrepreneurship – the answer is no longer so clear-cut. And so the App Store has in many ways self-selected developers for "safe" categories over the past decade, and yes, many of these have found great success (even if that half-trillion dollars tends to follow a power law with most of it going to the top earners in each category).

What the App Store is definitively not, however, is conducive to innovation, experimentation, and risk-taking. There are outliers, of course, who have managed to do something novel within the constraints set down by Apple. But the biggest risk you take when building your business on the App Store is not that your product will fail in the market, but that Apple will prevent it from ever reaching the market.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

#69

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

Curious, people complain about the monopoly, yet they still purchase from monopoly.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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These are linked in the post, but I'm pulling them out as a top-level comment so you can focus your discussion on those. Theodore on how the App Review process could be improved: https://tbodt.com/2020/11/08/app-review-experiences.html Ramblings I wrote on why I believe the guideline iSH was pulled under was incorrectly applied and needs to be rewritten: https://saagarjha.com/blog/2020/11/08/fixing-section-2-5-2/ Rel…

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