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Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by jlokier »

Sesse__ wrote: post #51
dilawar wrote: post #42

These days I don't use mutt much because I need to mark some emails as 'remind me later' and bluemail and gmail offers this functionality. Is there a mutt alternative?

Use shift-F to mark the email as “flag”. It's exactly the same functionality as Gmail's starring, and maps to it over IMAP.

That's not the same function as "remind me later", which actually does remind you at a future time.

I use shift-F in Mutt to flag emails. I then lose track of them, because I have too many flagged emails!

Task-based tagging might be better (using Notmuch) but I haven't found a good workflow for this yet.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by RMPR »

DJHenk wrote: post #60
tjoff wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works? One of the main reasons I'm considering switching from aerc to mutt/something else is because IMAP keeps disconnecting. Seems like the number 3 item you would want to nail down in a mail-client. But I'm sure it is just me that haven't looked into it yet. Unfortunately I just can't find time for it for the time being.

I think it is much lower on the list for terminal-first users than that, as they use Aerc or Mutt solely for reading and writing mail on the local machine and rely on other programs to sync the incoming and outgoing mail with the external mail server. I use Aerc, but also msmtp for sending and mbsync for receiving mail, for instance. This aligns more with the Unix philosophy of combining multiple small programs that…

This, and with notmuch it's awesome (the search is close to if not better than Gmail's one). I find myself less relying on the web interface of Gmail, except for HTML emails sigh. I know I can just install socksify, but it isn't packaged in my distro, and I already manage too much programs installed from source. I might write a blog post about this setup one day.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by bsdubernerd »

azamba wrote: post #2

Does anyone use Mutt with gmail or alikes today? Is it worth it? Mutt was my preferred email client back in 2000-2004. But gave it up for Gmail web interface.

It's almost unthinkable to me that you consider/ed gmail to be better. mutt was miles ahead of gmail already back then, and the difference just grew with the various gmail redesigns.

I'd like to know why you gave it up for gmail. Is it because of the way terminal programs look?

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

#64

Post by k2enemy »

em-bee wrote: post #30
k2enemy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I you revisit, be sure to check out notmuch as the search backend. It is super fast and has a nice and powerful search syntax. [1] https://notmuchmail.org/notmuch-mutt/

how is the folder handling with notmuch in mutt? i use sup (which is where notmuch came from) because it provides on-the-fly virtual folders where emails match a search query or a tag. i can also open multiple folders at once and switch between them without loosing state. it's been a while, but when i last used mutt it could not do that

Mutt cannot do multiple folders and keep state.

Coincidentally, I used to use sup and it is my favorite mail client that I've used. At the time there was no way to sync changes back to maildir or some format that IMAP could sync. Is that still the case?

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by tjoff »

DJHenk wrote: post #60
tjoff wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works? One of the main reasons I'm considering switching from aerc to mutt/something else is because IMAP keeps disconnecting. Seems like the number 3 item you would want to nail down in a mail-client. But I'm sure it is just me that haven't looked into it yet. Unfortunately I just can't find time for it for the time being.

I think it is much lower on the list for terminal-first users than that, as they use Aerc or Mutt solely for reading and writing mail on the local machine and rely on other programs to sync the incoming and outgoing mail with the external mail server. I use Aerc, but also msmtp for sending and mbsync for receiving mail, for instance. This aligns more with the Unix philosophy of combining multiple small programs that…

I don't buy that. Either it is important or you don't have the feature at all. The Unix philosophy isn't to do everything and some things poorly and let the users figure out which parts are good and which are bad that needs a separate application to do it properly.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by gpanders »

stevekemp wrote: post #38
gpanders wrote: post #27

The conditional option setting with MuttLisp will be very useful

I was often frustrated there wasn't a complete scripting language integrated with Mutt, so people had to make hacks to do things in a fully scriptable fashion. I put together a console based client, inspired by mutt, but fully developed and configured with Lua to resolve that problem - https://lumail.org/ I had a good few years working on it, and really liked the way it was "modal". Sadly I never quite got enough use…

That’s a real shame that lumail didn’t take off (I had never heard of it until now). I agree, embedding something like Lua or even Guile into Mutt seems like it would be very useful

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by Scarbutt »

dm319 wrote: post #55

Just in case anyone is curious as to why someone would use mutt, here are a few: 1. I can edit and compose emails in my favourite editor 2. Near instantaneous launch 3. Can launch multiple instances, allowing for viewing/searching to happen concurrently 4. Rapid search with advanced searching features - i.e. find all emails that have 1 or more attachments sent to me from within a month of 1/1/2019 from someone with a…

How do you send html emails? write the tags manually and sending it as text/html ?

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by Zhyl »

OxO4 wrote: post #31
Zhyl wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, set up with Luke Smith's excellent mutt Wizard [0]. Contrary to the other point, having a local copy of my emails gives me a sense of security and I can set up scripts using normal scripting tools to move stuff around. `notmuch` is good, but actually I can meet most of my searching needs with a 'limit' filter. [0] https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/mutt-wizard

FWIW, Luke Smith has some problematic political views (as in far right/alt-right). You do you but I personally avoid sharing/using any of his content for that reason.

Yeah, he also did some excellent YouTube videos and tutorials which helped me get into i3 and mutt, but I find it hard to recommend them now because they're mixed in on his channel with some weird ranty videos that, at best, don't have much to do with tech.

I still recommend mutt Wizard though because it makes it so much easier to get everything set up. I feel like it should be absorbed into neomutt or similar because it feels like such a basic thing to get right.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by JoshTriplett »

DJHenk wrote: post #60
tjoff wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That works? One of the main reasons I'm considering switching from aerc to mutt/something else is because IMAP keeps disconnecting. Seems like the number 3 item you would want to nail down in a mail-client. But I'm sure it is just me that haven't looked into it yet. Unfortunately I just can't find time for it for the time being.

I think it is much lower on the list for terminal-first users than that, as they use Aerc or Mutt solely for reading and writing mail on the local machine and rely on other programs to sync the incoming and outgoing mail with the external mail server. I use Aerc, but also msmtp for sending and mbsync for receiving mail, for instance. This aligns more with the Unix philosophy of combining multiple small programs that…

I don't want to debug multiple programs when mail isn't getting sent or received. I don't want to have programs that think they've sent mail when they've just handed off responsibility to some other program. And, closely related, I don't want to have incidents where mail isn't getting sent and I don't know that.

I'd like a mail client as capable as mutt, but that also works whether I'm online or not, handles mail sync automatically in the background while I start processing those mails, lets me browse and search and draft responses offline, and has a built-in idea of "has that mail been sent yet?" rather than just saying "sent" the moment a mail goes into another queue the client doesn't manage without giving any status for when it actually gets sent. And all that while also leaving mail on the server so that other mail clients such as K-9 mail on my phone (which can do all those things) can also process mail.

Sometimes I like "programs that do one thing well". But doing mail well involves taking full responsibility for mail.

Re: Mutt 2.0 Release Notes

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Post by dm319 »

Scarbutt wrote: post #67
dm319 wrote: post #55

Just in case anyone is curious as to why someone would use mutt, here are a few: 1. I can edit and compose emails in my favourite editor 2. Near instantaneous launch 3. Can launch multiple instances, allowing for viewing/searching to happen concurrently 4. Rapid search with advanced searching features - i.e. find all emails that have 1 or more attachments sent to me from within a month of 1/1/2019 from someone with a…

How do you send html emails? write the tags manually and sending it as text/html ?

I found this [1], but I think something along those lines would work.

[1] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/36881/sending-html-...

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