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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by mmastrac »

neilsense wrote: post #57
mmastrac wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the red team has been working to disenfranchise as many voters as possible. The country is far bluer than the electoral map would suggest, thanks to years of voter suppression.

Good god please do not go into the next election with that thought process. Admit what has happened and start to work out why.

There is literal evidence of this happening. The Republican playbook for the last decade has been disenfranchisement of people who don't vote for them. Killing or hobbling USPS was this year's novel strategy.

What I see is 4 million more votes for Biden than Trump. In any other electoral system this would have been a rout.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by cmurf »

Udik wrote: post #11
adamnemecek wrote: post #6

What's more surprising is how close this was given the past four years.

That's because, despite all the "it's Russia's fault" hysteria, Trump more or less represents about 50% of Americans- as these elections have just shown. The scary part (to me, as a European) is that this means that a good chunk of the other 50%, while certainly despising Trump, cannot be ideologically that distant- they live in the same country and immersed in the same culture after all.

Look at a county by county election map. You find the divide is starkly rural versus urban. The cultures are extremely different.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by s9w »

bdcravens wrote: post #47
s9w wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dig the HN fanfiction these days. refusing to leave? He's the president. The next one has not been decided.

Correct, he doesn't have to leave until January 20, 2021.

That hasn't yet been decided, but that's not even the point.

edit: so i've now been rate limited for posting three things. What the posters beyond assume is not what I meant. I'll not be able to answer for about two days or so. nice

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by BlueTemplar »

tzs wrote: post #48
1over137 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 million is not a lot in country of 330 million. The popular vote was close to 50/50.

It's probably going to be quite a bit more than 4 million. There are still several heavily blue states that have a lot of votes left to count. California, for example, has only counted 77% of their votes. New York has counted 84%. Illinois has counted 89%. I just caught the end of some discussion of this on NPR. Based on the number of votes left to count in the various states and how they are expected to turn out, th…

The impressive thing is how the election is going to be decided by a measly -100k to +170k (mean +35k) Biden lead in Pennsylvania !

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by gamblor956 »

1over137 wrote: post #31
malnourish wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Close in the Electoral College, where it matters; quite distant in the popular vote. The gap is estimated to be about 4 million more votes for Biden at this time, it is also the most votes for a president in US history. e: I will concede that it is not "quite distant", though it may not end up close in the EC when it's all said and done either.

4 million is not a lot in country of 330 million. The popular vote was close to 50/50.

It's currently 4 million of 145 million votes, since not all 330 million people are voters, and that number will go up since the outstanding votes are in large, overwhelmingly Democratic states.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by LakesideDrive »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #43
koolba wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This election should be a wake up call to entire country and Democrats in particular. There was no blue wave, if anything Biden has barely squeaked past the post. If it were not for the pandemic I'm convinced the Trump turnout for this election would have produced results rivaling Reagan in 1984. Even with a pandemic he was able to drive more voters to the polls on election day than any point in American history.

Even the Trump campaign said their base of old, white voters were dying off [1]. In another 4 years, another 7.3 million older voters (typically conservative voters) will have aged out. The country will continue to turn blue [2]. Democrats still have a lot of work to do on messaging. This was high tide for conservative votes. [3] [1] https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/11/04/old... [2] https://www.pewr…

If you can't convince the voters, import them.

One of the remarkable things to come from this election is that Trump gained in practically every demographic except White men.

Are White Americans finally seeing the writing on the wall and realising that they cannot vote their way out of this?

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by dastx »

googthrowaway42 wrote: post #36
neves wrote: post #5

Voter suppression. Voting in a working day. Need to register for voting. Legal battles. Inconsistent rules. A refusing to leave president. Is this the model of government that the USA bomb other countries for?

> A refusing to leave president. No legal process has taken place that has declared Biden the winner.

You mean besides having the necessary number of delegates?

He's been literally throwing lawsuits around to stop different states from continuing the counting. That to me says OP's words were accurate.

Re: Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump

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Post by LakesideDrive »

RealityVoid wrote: post #51
ihuman wrote: post #18

This thread has more points, but the CNN thread is older and has more comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25015967

And now they are both flagged. Ridiculous. I doubt the no politics rule on HN is fair at this point. I understand why it's present, but I feel it just silences waves of valid discussion about important topics. I can not help but feel that Trump supporters are brigading these threads and actively trying to bury them. The fact that only old enough accounts can downvote means these are experienced HN contributors. Unset…

If it's any consolation, it's probably confirmation bias.

I'm a White Nationalist and my accounts are very quickly flagged and shadow banned.

That is to say, my perception of the bias here is probably the polar opposite of yours.

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