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Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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Using a different definition of Google than TFA :

We have discussed recently a huge issue preventing new Google-like web crawling competitors from emerging :

If you're not GAFAM(-like), and so aren't whitelisted, then anti-spam/DDoS filters like Cloudflare will simply prevent your crawler from working !

Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That said with the benefit of more hindsight I think the reason there are no more Googles is that FAANG has a stronghold on the largest technology markets. And the FAANGs are willing to pay very large amounts of cash to acquire promising startups. EDIT: Also why is it that the majority of the large tech companies are essentially marketplaces? Is there really that much friction in traditional markets (physical goods…

> And the FAANGs are willing to pay very large amounts of cash to acquire promising startups. But I think FAANGs also drain the talent pool for startups by paying very high salaries (& partially equity) to employees such that startups have a hard time to competing on this level. At least it feels it's getting worse than, say, few years ago.

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Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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post #46

In related news, DuckDuckGo has gone up ~10m DAU in the last month (~12.5%) and has gone up ~30m average DAU since January (~60%). [0] [0] https://ddg.gg/traffic

DDG doesn't have its own search engine though.

Quibble: it has crawlers, though for small and specialised search, mostly Instant Answers IIUC.

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/du...

Its primary SERPs are baased on Bing and Yandex.

(I'm a heavy long-term DDG user myself.)

Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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> I've tried to explain this to VC firms. Instead of making one $2 million investment, make five $400k investments. Would that mean sitting on too many boards? Don't sit on their boards. Would that mean too much due diligence? Do less. If you're investing at a tenth the valuation, you only have to be a tenth as sure. This turned out to be absolutely right, and the That said with the benefit of more hindsight I think…

This seems to be in stark contrast to some of Peter Thiel’s theses. Would love to know if someone can clarify that.

He argues since returns are distributed by a power law, more due diligence and fewer invests make more sense for VCs.

Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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> I've tried to explain this to VC firms. Instead of making one $2 million investment, make five $400k investments. Would that mean sitting on too many boards? Don't sit on their boards. Would that mean too much due diligence? Do less. If you're investing at a tenth the valuation, you only have to be a tenth as sure. This turned out to be absolutely right, and the That said with the benefit of more hindsight I think…

Which firms filled the $400-$500k gap Paul Graham outlined the niche for? Not asking for a friend.

Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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post #46

In related news, DuckDuckGo has gone up ~10m DAU in the last month (~12.5%) and has gone up ~30m average DAU since January (~60%). [0] [0] https://ddg.gg/traffic

Whenever Google only give me garbage results, duck duck go does as well. Apparently You cannot discover information on websites with a search engine these days, unless it’s news Or Wikipedia entries.

Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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post #43

Something I don’t understand in this article is the “People won’t understand your ideas if they’re any good.” Like, the idea behind Google is, “Let’s make another search engine, but make it really good.” That’s not a crazy idea, is it? Was the problem that VCs thought existing engines were good enough and that Google’s wouldn’t be enough better to be worthwhile?

At the time that Google entered the market, there were at least 16 other search engines in existence [1] and all Google did was search. They had the smallest front page of any of the search engines at the time. It was very refreshing, and Page Rank turned out to be incredible at returning results but the "making money" thing was still very unclear at the time. I seem to recall they wanted to sell out to Yahoo for $10…

At the time, people were thinking in terms of portals and in my recollection, it was clear to anyone how to extract money from those ( ads ).

Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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Using a different definition of Google than TFA : We have discussed recently a huge issue preventing new Google-like web crawling competitors from emerging : If you're not GAFAM(-like), and so aren't whitelisted, then anti-spam/DDoS filters like Cloudflare will simply prevent your crawler from working !

I've been working on a project that involves executing web crawling on a responsible scale but this has concerned me when I ramp to wider/regular fetching how will it be received by the web distribution mafia.

I recall last time i set up my own mail server that it was very hard to do it in such a manner that emails from it were not automatically listed as spam

Re: Why There Aren't More Googles (2008)

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> I've tried to explain this to VC firms. Instead of making one $2 million investment, make five $400k investments. Would that mean sitting on too many boards? Don't sit on their boards. Would that mean too much due diligence? Do less. If you're investing at a tenth the valuation, you only have to be a tenth as sure. This turned out to be absolutely right, and the That said with the benefit of more hindsight I think…

>FAANG

Where is Microsoft?

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