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Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by ec109685 »

disillusioned wrote: post #42

I own a Nest Secure and actually really really love it. It syncs with my Nest + Yale door locks, so when I keypad into my house, it auto-disarms, which is amazing. I don't carry keys with me anymore, and the lock is gorgeous. It's also just _really_ nice. They put a lot of thoughtfulness into the Nest Detect motion/door open sensor. They filter out my dogs near perfectly. The voice warnings are great and useful. The…

Brinks is owned by ADT.

We said no to an ADT system since it was expensive and required two year contract and favored Nest secure instead, so this is disappointing.

It seems like Ring is in it to win it unlike Nest for some reason.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by syntaxing »

nyokodo wrote: post #59

I was a chump and invested in quite an expensive Nest Secure installation. I have actually really liked it so far, however this has shaken my confidence in trusting Google long-term with anything let alone a product they're not selling any longer. Any recommendations on an eventual replacement?

I'm on the same boat. I think the best alternative is Simplisafe and I regret not buying it over Nest Secure. I really liked the motion + door sensor for the Nest Secure and it's what originally won me over. Totally forgot to account for Google dropping products so quickly. I personally do not trust any Ring products, especially after the whole sharing data with Law Enforcement for "Neighborhood safety"

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Post by vikinglore »

MattGaiser wrote: post #3

I wonder, how many people consider Google products for something and go with another provider because you can't count on the product to exist long term?

I have refused to sign up for Google Stadia for this reason. They want me to pay for games. But what happens when the service gets shut down?

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Post by vikinglore »

wollef wrote: post #58
anotherman554 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't see the value in Stadia over buying a console. The only use case seems to be for someone too poor to afford a console, but that someone has enough money to buy a full price video game on Stadia.

Save $X00? I'm an occasional gamer, so it's a bit hard to justify a console, but for the 1-2 games per year I want to play Stadia is great. Put another way: if Stadia has the games you want (big if now, but improving over time) why shell out for a console?

Well, if you want to play video games in your living room and you don't want your computer to be in there, a console is very convenient.

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Post by [deleted] »

rodgerd wrote: post #57
fooey wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest the "community" of developers not trusting Google long term with anything is a major reason Stadia has been basically DOA. It's a big gamble to port a game to Stadia, and risk customers being mad at you , when Google inevitably pulls the plug

Particularly when Google are requiring you to port to a completely different stack to the one basically all games are written.

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Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by vikinglore »

rodgerd wrote: post #57
fooey wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest the "community" of developers not trusting Google long term with anything is a major reason Stadia has been basically DOA. It's a big gamble to port a game to Stadia, and risk customers being mad at you , when Google inevitably pulls the plug

Particularly when Google are requiring you to port to a completely different stack to the one basically all games are written.

Wow, I didn't realize that Stadia games are running on Debian and Vulcan. https://stadia.dev/about/ That is a hard sell that you have to (likely) port your game to a completely different OS and graphics API for a presumably small customer base.

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Post by toiletduck »

thethethethe wrote: post #46
jjoonathan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but it matters disproportionately to early adopters. If a brand becomes toxic with early adopters it never gets in front of anyone else. Except through acquisition, I suppose. Cloud compute is an even starker example: Google lost the second-mover cloud space to Microsoft and they lost it because the relevant decision-makers knew Google's reputation.

Microsoft beat Google to second in cloud because it already had a strangle hold on a sizable portion of the enterprise computing market, not because executives at important companies (large enterprises) knew Google has a reputation for killing obscure consumer products. Microsoft already had relationships with many large and medium businesses/organizations, often spanning multiple decades, a business software ecosyst…

>Google has a reputation for killing obscure consumer products

It has a reputation for killing cloud products like classic VPNs in GCP too, a significant part of our cloud infrastructure. Distrust is earned in this case.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by 1123581321 »

vikinglore wrote: post #64
wollef wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Save $X00? I'm an occasional gamer, so it's a bit hard to justify a console, but for the 1-2 games per year I want to play Stadia is great. Put another way: if Stadia has the games you want (big if now, but improving over time) why shell out for a console?

Well, if you want to play video games in your living room and you don't want your computer to be in there, a console is very convenient.

Stadia would like you to play from a Chromecast to your TV in that situation.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by ponker »

fooey wrote: post #34
ponker wrote: post #22

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They should just have to buy back the hardware if they don’t support it anymore, for some reasonable time frame of support (10 years?)

Iris by Lowes did that. I was impressed by how aggressively pro-consumer they were with that shutdown. To the point I would trust them more than other orgs with similar products

It would be good if a certification organization or insurance company would validate IoT hardware, saying "this will be supported with these features at this price point for at least N years, or will refund you the original purchase price of the hardware." The certification organization would bear the liability for this, so they would make sure they had watertight contracts with the manufacturers, and would collect risk premiums or collateral in case the manufacturer went insolvent.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by lstamour »

kerng wrote: post #52
kerng wrote: post #6

What is Nest Secure? Is this what people call the "Nest" or some subsystem of it?

Wow, why is a question downvoted? Sorry, I really don't know if Nest Secure is what everyone calls Nest or not. Instead of downvoting a simple yes or no would have been more helpful for me. I still don't know the answer by the way, but as far as I can tell from reading up its the same. In case anyone else is wondering also.

True it might be hard to find info on it now. Here’s a product page via Archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20200109071602/https://store.goo...
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