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MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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Sounds to me like you want a regular phone.

I think this is the paradox that distraction-free phones always run into. Everyone including myself wants the useful or convenient niceties of a modern smartphone like maps, Spotify, various messaging tools, notes etc. without the dreck of social media. At this point, a stripped-down android launcher makes more sense than trying to bring back the candybar phone or some weird hardware middle ground. There are a bunch…

> without the dreck of social media

It's pretty easy to not install those. Buying a product isn't a good solution to a lack of willpower.

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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I like the idea of a non-intrusive phone, but this wouldn't be enough for me. So here is my wish list for a non-intrusive phone - e-ink - phone calls - SMS (I don't send them, but I need them for 2FA) - contact book synced with Google - calendar synced with Google - clock with alarms, timer and stopwatch - weather - music, it would be nice to use Spotify because I've invested a lot of time creating playlists but loca…

I'm with you here. I think your list is pretty close to mine. The only exception is whatsapp and maps. I want to be able to navigate and I'm fine with just a list of directions. I'd add podcasts as a must have as well.

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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Looks like a blatant copy of the light. https://www.thelightphone.com

Competition is good. Light Phone II is 300 USD. There was a FOSS project announced on crowdfunding platform, called Blloc [1]. Its a launcher for Android, for minimal, distraction free use. [1] https://www.blloc.com

Probably ironically, none of the stuff on that site will load in my phone's browser unless I turn off content blockers

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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https://mudita.com/products/pure/sar/ Is that all FUD?

It all looks relatively reasonable to me. They don't seem to make extreme claims anywhere in that page. There's a section that talks about some meta research regarding impact of non-ionizing radiation -- I'm not sure how accurate that is. But, again, they're not saying that you will suffer if you don't get their phone. Just that the radiation could be harmful, so they designed a phone w minimal SAR.

Did you read the same page I did??

They specifically and directly claim that a cell phone kept in a bra causes breast cancer.

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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Bizarre, pretty misleading pages about electro-magnetic radiation were a huge turn-off.

https://mudita.com/products/pure/sar/ Is that all FUD?

Pretty much. There isn't any real scientific backing to anything they claim.

In fact, they admit several times that most studies are "inconclusive" then go on to site single studies that may indicate "the potential" for harm. Like my phone could also theoretically increase my potential for getting eaten by a tiger.

Psuedo-science BS.

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is the paradox that distraction-free phones always run into. Everyone including myself wants the useful or convenient niceties of a modern smartphone like maps, Spotify, various messaging tools, notes etc. without the dreck of social media. At this point, a stripped-down android launcher makes more sense than trying to bring back the candybar phone or some weird hardware middle ground. There are a bunch…

> without the dreck of social media It's pretty easy to not install those. Buying a product isn't a good solution to a lack of willpower.

I swear I'm not trying to get the last word in, but my phone life hack was to get a spare Android phone to keep in my office where I install only a minimal set of apps. It's worked pretty well and I might even try putting on a VOIP app so I can use it for calls. I don't care about getting distracted when I'm stuck in a long line at the grocery store.

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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Bizarre, pretty misleading pages about electro-magnetic radiation were a huge turn-off.

https://mudita.com/products/pure/sar/ Is that all FUD?

Somewhat, it mixes 2 main talking points very well to the point it wants to present them as the same thing in a way that presents a lot of uncertainty and doubt (and a tiny bit of fear about that uncertainty) from information that doesn't necessarily back up that mixture. The main talking points:

- What EM and SAR is and that anything in large enough amounts can be harmful with a bunch of info around the histories and studies that led to this understanding

- The implied need to worry about EM SAR significantly more than the above regulations and studies talked about suggest with the implication the numbers aren't already padded for safety to start with.

The former part is general product regulation which the page even admits was around before cell phones took off that nobody really has to know or think about, the latter is wrapping it in FUD.

It's also important to note that while they link an enormous number of references it doesn't mean all of the claims on the page are backed up by any of them (again, look at the two main categories above for the majority of that split). E.g. the section on "Radiation-free areas should be established. Electrohypersensitive people can’t live near any electronic devices which emit radiation." has widely failed to have any robust result showing it as a "real" (as in actually caused by EMF) effect but this section doesn't mention that it just flows right into the section saying peer reviewed studies have verified "effects" without defining what effects, to what level, from what level of source, and if the effects were deemed a risk/harmful or just something that's possible to notice (e.g. if you turn on a lamp right next to you your arm gets warmer, this is an observable effect in extreme cases with no ill effect).

The last thing I'll mention is there are some "dubious at best" transitions like the section explaining the difference between non-ionizing and ionizing radiation following up the claim "That is not to say that extended exposure to non-ionizing radiation isn’t harmful, we know that it is." with "Most of us know that a little bit of UV radiation can be useful" which not only gets into the main conflation mentioned at the beginning of the comment but also throws in extra conflation about something that both spans ionizing and non ionizing radiation being compared to a completely different part of the non-ionizing EM spectrum without note.

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I think it's important to note that I come from a healthcare networking background and have been biased/predisposed to a certain viewpoint on the matter prior to reading the article as I've had to work with the health system on basically anything that communicates via RF (Wi-Fi, 4G, DAS, RFID, special frequency voice communication systems, one off device radios) which included review of any and all patient health risks related to deployment of the equipment.

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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I still don't get it. If you wanna do digital detox and still need a phone, get an used Motorola F3. - It can't do more than talk and same very bare texting (Mudita already got a calendar, something that wants to get your attention and don't get me started on that mediation timer) - costs almost nothing (Mudita Pure costs >300) - flat and small, therefore easy to put away in any bag or pouch and forget - doesn't has…

Sort of off-topic, but for digital detox I've found that a phone that doesn't at least support WhatsApp, Signal, and a few other Android apps would be useless as a phone for me. I can't remember the last time I've used my phone for something that doesn't involve data, so I would rather detox temporarily with no phone at all. In case anyone has any suggestions: For a more sustainable long-term detox to avoid extensive…

Try rattlesnake OS I think it is security focused and flashable on latest pixel devices including the 4a.

https://github.com/dan-v/rattlesnakeos-stack

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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Bizarre, pretty misleading pages about electro-magnetic radiation were a huge turn-off.

https://mudita.com/products/pure/sar/ Is that all FUD?

Beyond being complete gibberish, of course their dumb ass phones produce as much "radiation" as an ipotato.

Re: MuditaOS: An open-source, e-ink mobile OS

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post #34

I still haven't understood the advantages these custom mobile UIs have over a basic X11 DE with a software keyboard. PalmOS had it's own GUI because the whole OS was this insane feat of software engineering and something like X11 didn't fit on the abstractions they built. The result was something that could run forever on a couple of AAA batteries. If you're just sticking things on top of X/Wayland/Linux anyway at le…

Rather than a "insane feat of software engineering" I would define PalmOS as rather "extremely simple", complexity-wise on the level of classic macOS despite appearing a decade later. Right now, mobile stacks are usually even more complex that desktop stacks.

One of the neat things about PalmOS is that it ran apps directly from where they were stored. No need to load them into "memory".

I loved the stylus because it allowed apps to be quite functional (I remember EasyCalc which could do wonders) on a 160x160 screen. 320x320 meant that you could do anything.

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