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Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by justinclift »

NiceWayToDoIT wrote: post #45

I find this weirdly amazing, as to this day I was reading some medical news and documentaries where it was said that entire human bodies were sliced by millimetre slices. So, somehow I always imagined that each part of body and tissue is 100% known and that only left is to find out what are inner workings on the nano-meter scale, deep molecular levels or genetic level. But in 2018 there was a similar news about Inter…

There's also this: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-researcher...

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by flattone »

projektfu wrote: post #60

I’m a little surprised they went to a press release but didn’t say they identified a structure in a cadaver. So, at the moment, this is sort of like a geological feature that’s only ever been seen using a satellite.

What does that mean? (Zero medical cadaver background, with regard tk the distance of validity between one or the other). Satellites are a lot more powerful (hehe) than our eyes, so my understanding Of your point failed.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by DoreenMichele »

dynamite-ready wrote: post #50
DoreenMichele wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wasn't hugely long ago that the mesentery was making the news as the newest official organ identified in the human body. It is in the gut: 2017: It's Official: A Brand-New Human Organ Has Been Classified https://www.sciencealert.com/it-s-official-a-brand-new-human... The neurological system for the gut is so complex that it gets called a "second brain" in some literature.

I've read a little about the complexity of the gut and it's nervous system connections, but was just thinking of a rough comparison of the two sites. I mean, if you include the anatomy of brain, the head is conclusively more complicated. But if you consider the brain, and perhaps the nervous network to be a single, extremely complex part, then I suppose you'd still have to believe the head is the more complicated of…

I think a hard question to answer is "Where does the gut end and the contents of the gut begin?"

Stomach acid is contents of the gut but also part of the digestive tract. An even more thorny issue: the microbiome, which is a hot topic in research.

And that's a complication the head lacks.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by projektfu »

flattone wrote: post #62
projektfu wrote: post #60

I’m a little surprised they went to a press release but didn’t say they identified a structure in a cadaver. So, at the moment, this is sort of like a geological feature that’s only ever been seen using a satellite.

What does that mean? (Zero medical cadaver background, with regard tk the distance of validity between one or the other). Satellites are a lot more powerful (hehe) than our eyes, so my understanding Of your point failed.

Basically both MRI and satellite imagery are forms of remote sensing. You want to have someone on the ground eventually to confirm your findings.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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wrinkl3 wrote: post #12
hilbert42 wrote: post #5

It seems almost unbelievable that in this day and age we could have missed something like this. In my opinion, it put modern medicine into perspective. I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is, and this report seems like a good validation of that notion.

> I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is What does that even mean? Nobody's claiming that modern medicine is anywhere close to perfect but the "dark ages" medicine was Humorism, blood letting and faith healing. Surgeons didn't start washing their hands before childbirth until the 19th century. It's really weird to look back at the mind-boggling progr…

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Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by hilbert42 »

wrinkl3 wrote: post #12
hilbert42 wrote: post #5

It seems almost unbelievable that in this day and age we could have missed something like this. In my opinion, it put modern medicine into perspective. I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is, and this report seems like a good validation of that notion.

> I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is What does that even mean? Nobody's claiming that modern medicine is anywhere close to perfect but the "dark ages" medicine was Humorism, blood letting and faith healing. Surgeons didn't start washing their hands before childbirth until the 19th century. It's really weird to look back at the mind-boggling progr…

Oh dear, I should not have to labor the obvious but I will.

With all the medical schools, hundreds of thousands of doctors, pathologists, diagnostic tools, xrays, MRIs, etc. etc. that we've had available in the 'modern' era of medicine - in the last 100 or so years - how the fucking hell did we miss something as 'obvious' as this? QED!

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by rbanffy »

NiceWayToDoIT wrote: post #45

I find this weirdly amazing, as to this day I was reading some medical news and documentaries where it was said that entire human bodies were sliced by millimetre slices. So, somehow I always imagined that each part of body and tissue is 100% known and that only left is to find out what are inner workings on the nano-meter scale, deep molecular levels or genetic level. But in 2018 there was a similar news about Inter…

That we still find new structures within our own bodies should be deeply troubling to anyone in the medical sciences.

I for one would be deeply ashamed if I suddenly found that bytes had a ninth bit we never suspected was there in the first place.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by m463 »

garbagetime wrote: post #18
wrinkl3 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is What does that even mean? Nobody's claiming that modern medicine is anywhere close to perfect but the "dark ages" medicine was Humorism, blood letting and faith healing. Surgeons didn't start washing their hands before childbirth until the 19th century. It's really weird to look back at the mind-boggling progr…

Imagine the following. Here's the spectrum of medical knowledge: ----------------------------------------- Here's where we were in the dark ages: --|-------------------------------------- Here's where we are now: -------|--------------------------------- Here's where people like to think we are: ------------------|---------------------- In this scenario it seems like what you're saying and what your parent said are b…

I'm reminded of the scene in Mad Men where Roger says something to the effect of "I did everything they said for my ulcer, I drank the buttermilk. and now I have a coronary!"

Also, in the book "The King of Hearts" which describes the history of open heart surgery, the first open heart surgeries were done by sewing the circulatory system of two people together (usually mother and child). that was in the recent past.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Post by rbanffy »

wrinkl3 wrote: post #12
hilbert42 wrote: post #5

It seems almost unbelievable that in this day and age we could have missed something like this. In my opinion, it put modern medicine into perspective. I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is, and this report seems like a good validation of that notion.

> I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is What does that even mean? Nobody's claiming that modern medicine is anywhere close to perfect but the "dark ages" medicine was Humorism, blood letting and faith healing. Surgeons didn't start washing their hands before childbirth until the 19th century. It's really weird to look back at the mind-boggling progr…

> medicine was Humorism, blood letting and faith healing.

I suspect the doctors of the 23rd century will be similarly horrified by their 21st century counterparts practices.

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