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Women forced by their dress codes to wear revealing clothing.
Didnt that change 2012 Olympics?
Yes leggins are allowed now....
Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Men in general don't like to perform to music, or see no need for it, as you say "biologicaly". Women on the other hand like it, "biologicaly" as you say. Yeah, that is why male dancers and male dancing is non-existend worldwide. Or otherwise said, can you prove it is "biological" rather then cultural?
How many males do you know how genuienly like dancing? You are picking a small population of males and generlizing to all of them. Most males have no interest in dancing. Nothing wrong if you do, but most don't.
> "You are picking a small population of males and generlizing to all of them."
No, that's what you're doing. Just because some men don't like dancing, no men should get the opportunity to do so? And because some women like to dance, it has to be a staple of the female version of the sport?
If it's actually about dancing, then make it a dancing event that men and women can compete in. Tons of men dance competitively. But not in gymnastics. Which actually makes sense, since it's gymnastics, not dancing. But then why are the women's events about dancing?
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
A coach can correct mistakes without yelling. "He's yelling at me because he cares" is the same internal logic that keeps many women in abusive romantic relationships.
> A coach can correct mistakes without yelling. Are you a professional coach or just think it would work this way? The athletes we are discussing are already selected as fit for the specific sport. All of them are very tolerant to stress from the training and competition. Unless stress of not doing exercise (correctly) is higher than stress from doing it (correctly) there won't be progress. What for an outsider looks…
Does it matter? Surely having a reasonable environment is a far higher priority than "being a champion".
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As a former educator, that is a horrible way to deal with that situation. The kid learns the wrong lesson and feels terrible about it. Lazy adult "solutions" like that can traumatize children. The proper solution is just tell the kid to take a breather without stating a reason (maybe tell them privately how to notice on their own when they are overworking themselves). The other kids won't notice or care. (And if some…
It is not a prison. Everyone is free to go and never return. These kids are not there to learn a lesson. They are there to become champions.
Sure, they are there to be champions. And every girl goes to Cali to be a star. But at what cost and to what gain and at what odds are all questions parents need to consider. The article largely agrees that the way it’s done is according to the incentives. It’s the job of parents to say nope when the enterprise is to the detriment of the long term health of the child. Which is why I largely blame the parents not the coaches. The parents are PAYING for precisely this treatment and it’s grotesque.
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#65Let’s not forget about the disgusting sexual abuse they have to suffer from, under the premise of medical treatments. They caught Nassar in 2018 but god knows how many others are still out there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/well/live/pelvic-massage-...
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Men in general don't like to perform to music, or see no need for it, as you say "biologicaly". Women on the other hand like it, "biologicaly" as you say. Yeah, that is why male dancers and male dancing is non-existend worldwide. Or otherwise said, can you prove it is "biological" rather then cultural?
How many males do you know how genuienly like dancing? You are picking a small population of males and generlizing to all of them. Most males have no interest in dancing. Nothing wrong if you do, but most don't.
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#67One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…
> how inherently sexist it is Something is sexist when you create sex criteria. So the whole sport is sexist since you have distinguish between men and women categories in most of the disciplines.
Not really. Sexism is a prejudice.
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#68It's not gynmastics that is child abuse, it is the bad behavior of coaches that is child abuse. Let's not confuse the issues and terms, please.
This is exactly the idea that the article explains over and over to refute. Women's gymnastics by the scoring, culture, traditions, and biology, has all the incentives pushing toward child abuse. It isn't just a matter of pruning out bad actors. It is a matter of restructuring the sport to prevent bad actors from becoming prominent.
Re: Women’s gymnastics is legal child abuse
#69One thing that always surprises me about gymnastics is how inherently sexist it is. For nearly all sports, the male version of the sport is identical to the female version. Maybe women don't lift as much, don't run quite as fast, or do shorter distances (like in speed skating), but the basics of the sport are the same. Not so in gymnastics: men and women do entirely different things. Men are all about upperbody stren…
> how inherently sexist it is Something is sexist when you create sex criteria. So the whole sport is sexist since you have distinguish between men and women categories in most of the disciplines.
What really surprised me is the existence of chess championship and women chess championship.
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When my daughter came to me in tears and complained coach is yelling at her, I explained this is a good thing. This means coach is looking at her and is trying to correct her mistakes.
A coach can correct mistakes without yelling. "He's yelling at me because he cares" is the same internal logic that keeps many women in abusive romantic relationships.
My niece competed in gymnastics at national level, just steps to be olympic competitor she started at i believe like 8 YO, her coach never yelled at her or any of the group other than in an encouraging way. There are bad and good coaches out there some of them leave their life for the sport.