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Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by cupofjoakim »

Good job, as expected by the Plasma team. I really feel like this is a big step in the right direction.

A personal wish however would be that we got a more modern look to more desktop environments. Both Gnome, Plasma and Pantheon (default in Elementary OS) are talked about as the best looking desktop environments, but I'd be lying if I said that any of them looked awesome. There's just something about them that make them feel weird. Sometimes it's just margins and whitespace, sometimes the font scale that seems inconsistent and sometimes it's the default icon packs that look a bit dated. I don't know, I'm not a designer, but it is definitely worse than both win10 and macOS 10.15.6

I think that if we want to grow the unix user base there's a bit of progress to be made in this department. Customisability is where we win today - but the defaults need to get better to attract more non tech oriented people.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by josefx »

nsonha wrote: post #39
thomond wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Well maybe it's what everyone else wants. Either way it's just the default they're changing, one good thing about grouping in Plasma is it lets you exclude certain applications so you can exclude your PDF viewer. Alot of other environments give an all or nothing approach.

There maybe some people who want this but they are not the marority. A task and an application are unrelated things. A task most likely spans one/several browser tabs + a couple of documents in different apps.

So use virtual desktops for that? KDE also has those.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by viseztrance »

laszlokorte wrote: post #56

Sorry for the snarky comment but that you can clearly see the promoted KRunner search box flickering and reflowing in the promotional video is exemplary for the quality differences between mac, windows and linux desktop environments.

Honestly KDE has always been this way, adding features over polish. For example I used gnome shell and mac os back to back and gnome holds up very well against mac os, and if anything it feels like a more cohesive experience (consistent hotkeys, ui).

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by teekert »

Man, my entire life I've been going back and forth between Gnome and KDE, I just settled (again) on stock Ubuntu (for some months now) but now that I see this video and the grass looks greener, again.

Guess I'm installing KDE Neon tonight...

Edit, I have to say that for the kids I'll stay on Gnome, it's very recognizable for them when compared to the iPads they use at school, much more so than KDE (and Win10 for that matter).

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by qwerty456127 »

mac01021 wrote: post #6

>when you open several windows with the same application (like when you open several LibreOffice documents), the Task Manager will group them together. This is exactly the opposite of what I want. Why don't the designers of 21st-century desktop environments understand that my 3 PDF files have nothing to do with one another? The same goes for my terminals, my text buffers, my web pages.... Why group things that are in…

I get you point (it's perfectly valid and I even believe I can feel what you feel) but as for me I want it to be "one app = one icon" (same icon used to launch, minimize and activate any of the windows of the same app) and it drives me crazy no Linux DE other than KDE and good old Unity support this. I wish LXDE (the Raspberry Pi default), LXQt and XFCE didn't insist the Windows95 way of having separate buttons to launch and to minimize/activate a running app (which feels untidy to me) is the only correct way. C'mon, it's been a long since Windows 7 and Ubuntu Unity appeared, why keep emulating Windows 95?

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by JW_00000 »

neves wrote: post #41

I has been a decade since I used KDE. It was eating too much memory of slow computer. I always missed a desktop environment for power users, instead of one aiming for the average user. Kde always the best one with this objective

Memory usage has greatly improved in my experience compared to a decade ago. (At least, in comparison to the available RAM.) Actually I felt that nowadays Gnome Shell with some extensions is more resource hungry.

I switched from KDE 3.5 / 4.0 to Unity and later Gnome around the time KDE 4 was first released (apparently 2008), for the same reason as you. But last year I switched back to KDE Plasma because Gnome felt unstable and slightly glitchy, and KDE is much smoother now.

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by AzzieElbab »

Shared404 wrote: post #8
AzzieElbab wrote: post #4

Always loved kde for ease of customization. Wish it had better support for auto tiling

You probably know this already, but you can use KDE with your choice of WM, allowing you to swap out kwin for i3/sway or whatever else floats your boat/gives you tiling. Edit: Spelling

I tried that but ran into weird app behaviour and gave up at some point. Might give it another try at some point

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by d_tr »

Shared404 wrote: post #47
d_tr wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only on X11 though, and you can only use X11 window managers.

Ah, thanks for the correction. Do you happen to know if this is on KDE's roadmap for Wayland? Edit: A little bit of internet later, I found these: https://drewdevault.com/2018/04/28/KDE-Sprint-retrospective.html https://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/Using_Other_Window_Managers_with_Plasma#cite_note-1 It looks like it will probably be done at some point, and is definitely possible.

Thanks, I actually had a vague memory of having read about this somewhere. Cool!

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by dleslie »

Every few years I give KDE a shot, and the result is always the same; it's too unstable and slow to be a daily driver.

The latest time was just last month, and the _stock_ panel widgets kept crashing, forgetting their preferences, and so on. The desktop environment itself occasionally crashed-to-login.

Well, back to Gnome2! (MATE).

Re: KDE Plasma 5.20

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Post by brightball »

cupofjoakim wrote: post #61

Good job, as expected by the Plasma team. I really feel like this is a big step in the right direction. A personal wish however would be that we got a more modern look to more desktop environments. Both Gnome, Plasma and Pantheon (default in Elementary OS) are talked about as the best looking desktop environments, but I'd be lying if I said that any of them looked awesome. There's just something about them that make…

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