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A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by BoorishBears »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #43
gowld wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That already exists. Cabinets are just doors and finishes; the cabinet maker can add them to your dishwasher.

Grabbing things out of a cabinet is easier than grabbing things out of a dishwasher. And I think other things would need to change to make it work above ground level, e.g. sealing with side swinging doors. But there is certainly a market for something like this, albeit in the $100,000 range.

A side swinging dishwasher door sounds pretty disgusting

All the stuff the drips and drops harmlessly onto the door dripping onto the floor instead.

Drawer dishwashers are already plenty convenient for access, without the drawbacks

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by pertymcpert »

HenryKissinger wrote: post #7
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the calculus changes when more than one person eating is involved, especially when the ratio skews more eating than washing

As a single person I can wash my dishes in less than a minute. Glass, plate no. 1, plate no. 2, bowl, fork, knife, no more than a few seconds each.

What about your chefs knife? A small spoon for sauces, a measuring cup perhaps, a chopping board, a spatula or wooden spoon or something to stir the dish, the pot or pan you actually used to cook, perhaps a lid for said pot.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by baq »

airstrike wrote: post #47
JimTheMan wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had to pre-rinse the dishes before putting them in a dishwasher, I wouldn't bother using a dishwasher. I'd wash them by hand, it only takes marginally more time.

Yeah, you're not supposed to put them full of food into the dishwasher. It's not like the thing runs on anti-matter – it's just hot water and soap.

You’re supposed to throw leftovers out before putting dishes in the dishwasher but rinsing before is overkill and greatly reduces both time and environmental gains of using one.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by copperx »

andai wrote: post #55

Does anyone have experience with big industrial dishwashers? We had one at a school I visited, based in an old military barracks. It was about the size of a large fridge, extremely loud (used high pressure) and cleaned dishes spotless in about 15 seconds. I've wanted one of those ever since, along with one of those giant laundromat washing machines with shock absorbers that run a spin cycle in complete silence.

There's a blog post somewhere in the web of someone that installed a commercial dishwasher in his kitchen. It requires 220 V and uses an enormous amount of power, but it cleans a load in 90 seconds.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by copperx »

tommymachine wrote: post #36
Xcelerate wrote: post #22

I find that recent models of dishwashers don’t work nearly as well as older models. They don’t heat up enough to dry water off of plastic, and the enzyme based detergents don’t seem to clean as well as the old phosphate detergents. Also, the dishwasher in our current apartment (a cheap Whirlpool) often leaves a wet dog smell on the glasses, and we can’t figure out where it comes from or how to get rid of it. Apparent…

The regulations on the wash cycles, including water volume, time, energy, and detergents, are very restrictive. Older units were not subject to the same regulations. For example, due to laws in California most commercial dish detergents won’t contain TSP (trisodium phosphate). I’ve been adding a bit of powdered TSP with the detergent pod to each load and it seems to have improved the results.

I believe detergents never used TSP to begin with; they used another more unstable posphate which worked better.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by 082349872349872 »

andai wrote: post #55

Does anyone have experience with big industrial dishwashers? We had one at a school I visited, based in an old military barracks. It was about the size of a large fridge, extremely loud (used high pressure) and cleaned dishes spotless in about 15 seconds. I've wanted one of those ever since, along with one of those giant laundromat washing machines with shock absorbers that run a spin cycle in complete silence.

I could tell I'd been out of back of the house food service long enough when I no longer put my home sink all the way over, because it was too hot.

(Our dishwasher and washing machines run when we're not at home, so they could run for twice as long and be twice as loud and I wouldn't care.)

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by rsync »

andai wrote: post #55

Does anyone have experience with big industrial dishwashers? We had one at a school I visited, based in an old military barracks. It was about the size of a large fridge, extremely loud (used high pressure) and cleaned dishes spotless in about 15 seconds. I've wanted one of those ever since, along with one of those giant laundromat washing machines with shock absorbers that run a spin cycle in complete silence.

There is a long, detailed rundown of someone who did just that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2l7z90/installed_a_co...

... some installers and people who maintain such machines for restaurants chimed in. Fairly interesting.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by 082349872349872 »

aaron695 wrote: post #51

I wish we targeted rich people with a lot more of things like these. Convince them clean air is more important for their health than the next Mediterranean carnivore diet and we might start getting the tech we need. They quickly get followed by the middle class pretending to be rich, then it becomes mass produced and available to the poor. I think the privacy aspects of automation would also be what the rich value. A…

IIUC, for all that people explicitly complained about not being able to find good help anymore, "one less gossip", especially in the zero gossips[1] limit, was a strong implicit driver for household automation[2].

    Phone for the fish knives, Norman
    As cook is a little unnerved
[1] especially now that one can verify consumation via the 'gram instead of either doing so conspicously in public or relying upon the servant grapevine to spread the word.

[2] this is a falsifiable hypothesis: it will be interesting to see how covid lockdown in india affects middle class household employment.

Re: A socialite who hated washing dishes invented the automated dishwasher

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Post by 082349872349872 »

neckardt wrote: post #29
Scoundreller wrote: post #20

I wish they invented the dual side-by-side dishwasher. I want separate dirty and clean units. I’m tired of using the sink or shelves as a buffer. Just pull from the clean unit and push into the dirty unit and rotate which is which. Voilà, dramatically less handling.

> I wish they invented the dual side-by-side dishwasher. Have you considered buying two dish washers? I don't think this needs an invention.

In some parts of the world, you can even buy houses which already have dual kitchen appliances (along with sinks convenient to every room).
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